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FLYBOYJ

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Al Rosen said:
That's one you've identified. What about contract terms and delivery and customer communications, etc.
There are basic contract requirments for mission capable rates (for the aircraft) and specified meetings. It's kept real simple....

Al Rosen said:
How do you handle the defective parts removed from the aircraft? What about purchased parts that don't meet purchase order requirements.
If the defective part is a time changed item, it is removed and retuend to the customer (GFE). If it's defective from an OEM, it's returned and C/A is mandated. Believe it or not, I've returned maybe 4 items in 1.5 years! Our aircraft are very simple and we rarely have problems with purchsed parts.
 
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#12
FLYBOYJ said:
There are basic contract requirments for mission capable rates (for the aircraft) and specified meetings. It's kept real simple....



If the defective part is a time changed item, it is removed and retuend to the customer (GFE). If it's defective from an OEM, it's returned and C/A is mandated. Believe it or not, I've returned maybe 4 items in 1.5 years! Our aircraft are very simple and we rarely have problems with purchsed parts.
The point is it needs to be addressed in your system
 
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FLYBOYJ

#13
Al Rosen said:
The point is it needs to be addressed in your system
It is - it's in my FAA Repair Station manual, Where I'm going with this is much of the parts we changed or found defective are items "timed out," required to be changed by the manufacturer (magnetos, wheel bearings, ect.) I don't see things like this going through a formal MRB
 
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Al Rosen

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FLYBOYJ said:
It is - it's in my FAA Repair Station manual, Where I'm going with this is much of the parts we changed or found defective are items "timed out," required to be changed by the manufacturer (magnetos, wheel bearings, ect.) I don't see things like this going through a formal MRB
Who mentioned MRB? Reference your RSIPM (Repair Station Ispection Procedures Manual) in your ISO 9000 QSM.
 
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FLYBOYJ

#15
Al Rosen said:
Who mentioned MRB? Reference your RSIPM (Repair Station Ispection Procedures Manual) in your ISO 9000 QSM.
I have a RSIPM and a Quality Control Program Plan (QAPP)that contains specific procedures for my operations. Do I need to write an ISO QSM or can I talior my QAPP for ISO?
 

Al Rosen

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FLYBOYJ said:
I have a RSIPM and a Quality Control Program Plan (QAPP)that contains specific procedures for my operations. Do I need to write an ISO QSM or can I talior my QAPP for ISO?
Tailor what you have. You can use one of the Gap Analysis documents found here - http://Elsmar.com/Forums/fileslist.php - to first determine where in your documentation you address each requirement and then verify compliance.
 
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Don Palmer

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If I knew then what I know now

FLYBOYJ,
Two years ago our Certified FAA Part 145 Repair Station organization was required by a major customer (government contract) to become ISO 9001:2000 compliant. We were not required to have 3rd party registration either, but went for registration anyway and got it.

Per ISO 9001:2000 Quality Management Systems Requirements (clause 1.2 Application) allows for exclusions within clause 7 of the standard. We excluded only clause 7.3 Design and Development requirements since we do not manufacture anything either. All other clauses of the ISO standard are included and covered in our ISO Quality Management System (QMS) documented Quality Manual (QM) and Quality System Procedures Manual (QSPM) and under totally separate cover from our FAA Repair Station Inspection Procedures Manual, etc.

My FAA PMI has interest only in the required FAR PART 145 RSM too. And I don’t want him to care in the least about our ISO QMS. If my FAR and ISO manuals were all rolled into one document system (as AS-9110 implies), we’d have a nightmare from h*ll on our hands. My PMI’s favorite speech about manuals is, “Say what you do, and do what you say”; “That’s what I’ll be looking at when I come to perform surveillance at your repair stations.” “If it’s in your RSM, you better be doing it.” That is why I have two separate documented quality systems, one to satisfy FAA regulatory requirements and the other to satisfy the ISO standard.

I wrote our repair station’s FAR Part 145 manuals when the new regulation went into effect. My PMI was very pleased with it, because it covered all the SHALLS required for the FAA manual and his acceptance. ALL PROCEDURES are fully contained and documented within the Repair Station Manual System. When I began writing the ISO documented quality management system manuals, a considerable amount of my PROCEDURES/PROCESSES were already in place in the FAR QSPM. So where I had existing PROCESSES/PROCEDURES, I made reference in my ISO manual documentation back to the FAA QSPM.

For instance ISO clause 7.6 Control of monitoring and measuring devices is already covered in my FAA QSPM so I make reference only in my ISO manual back to my FAA manual for tool calibration control processes (procedures).

My ISO Registrar Auditors are happy :drunk: with this setup and find it to be in conformance with the standard. Again, my FAA PMI cares only about FAR manual content and doesn’t see any of the ISO manuals content. On the other hand my ISO 3rd party auditors see both the ISO and FAR manuals.
Through the process of learning the ISO language, I came to realize that SERVICE IS our PRODUCT, that ISO was originally written for manufacturers, and that the ISO language has transitioned to cover service industry as well. So when reading the word PRODUCT in the ISO standard, I translate the word to mean SERVICE.

Excluding clause 7.3 Design and Development (as mentioned above for justified reason) ALL OTHER SHALL STATEMENTS of ISO 9001:2000 are included in our QSM QM and QSPM. Again, with emphasis I state that all requirements of the standard (with the exception of 7.3) are included in our QMS, and we work all of these processes every day.

In conclusion (for this message), I’d like to say that had the decision been mine, I would have only accommodated the government (military) contract request for becoming ISO 9001:2000 COMPLIANT only. But it was not my decision to make. The only thing my Government Flight Representative (GFR) and in-house DCMA representatives are interested in, regarding ISO 9001:2000 compliance, is that we have QMS processes that we follow regarding the terms of the contract.

In my opinion the reason these government military aircraft contract terms require ISO compliance ONLY is that it simplifies (for the government) the writing and enforcing of the contract, because then the ISO manuals can be referenced in the contract, rather than all the content that ISO 9001:2000 contains.

FLYBOYJ, do you have a full set of the ISO standard (e.g. ISO 9000:2000, ISO 9001:2000, ISO 9004:2000)? How much time have you been given to become ISO compliant? Are you attempting to write the manuals yourself? Do you have FULL commitment, support (resources) and understanding from you Top Executive Management?

I’ve been where you are now, and work every day in FAA/EASA/ISO world of compliance/conformance. It ain't easy but it is possible! :bonk:

Muleskinner – Quality Systems Director
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FLYBOYJ

#18
I Owe You A Beer

MANY MANY THANKS! YOU'RE EXACTLY THE PERSON I WAS HOPING TO REACH ON THIS SITE! I'M GOING TO TAKE YOU'RE SUGGESTIONS AND RUN WITH THEM - AGAIN MANY THANKS!!!! :thanx: :thanx: :thanx: :applause:
 
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Don Palmer

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Glad we can help!

FLYBOYJ said:
MANY MANY THANKS! YOU'RE EXACTLY THE PERSON I WAS HOPING TO REACH ON THIS SITE! I'M GOING TO TAKE YOU'RE SUGGESTIONS AND RUN WITH THEM - AGAIN MANY THANKS!!!! :thanx: :thanx: :thanx: :applause:
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FLYBOYJ

#20
We made it!

Hey folks,

It's been a while since I've been on and once again I have to thank you all that gave me input. It turned out my customer just wanted us to go "ISO 9001-2000 Compliant." We rolled the cost of full compliance with a third party registry into the contract cost and they back off the full requirement. With that I put together an ISO 9001-2000 guide with a compliance matrix showing how we comply with all elements as a result of our Repair Station Manual, Operational Instructions (OIs), Quality Plan, and Air Force TOs - so far my customer loves it - as I put it, it like being a little pregnant. Anyway the customer's happy, my FAA PMI is happy, my boss is happy. Again I appreciate the input and the links I gathered from this site to assemble my ISO guide!!!:thanx:
 
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