Some Questions about some ISO 9001:2008 requirements

[Paul Simpson]

OK, Thanks for the update.

 

[Colin]

I can assure you that these questions are from an IRCA exam paper used on the QMS lead auditor course - I should know, I have just finished running one 2 hours ago!

Could I please ask someone to remove the content of these posts so as to protect the integrity of the IRCA exams.

 

[Paul Simpson]

Thanks, Colin. I thought they looked familiar.

 

[Marc]

A system based on the requirements of ISO 9001 aims to <snip>

mohtadi - Where did you get these questions?

I can assure you that these questions are from an IRCA exam paper used on the QMS lead auditor course - I should know, I have just finished running one 2 hours ago!

Could I please ask someone to remove the content of these posts so as to protect the integrity of the IRCA exams.

It would have been best to use the Report Post button, but we (the moderators) have started a discussion thread about the questions and removing them.

I would first like to hear where mohtadi got them from. Not to mention, these questions are pretty basic. I have used very similar questions in courses I gave in the past and I've never taken the IRCA course to know their content.

A last aspect is there are 10 questions and an essay type 11th entry. Certainly this is not a large part of the IRCA course test. Or is it? And do they always have the same questions, or do they have different tests which they rotate? I would hope tests are rotated in which case it's somewhat a moot issue.

 

[AndyN]

I can assure you that these questions are from an IRCA exam paper used on the QMS lead auditor course - I should know, I have just finished running one 2 hours ago!

Could I please ask someone to remove the content of these posts so as to protect the integrity of the IRCA exams.

Done!

 

[Colin]

Marc, thanks for the response - I never thought to use the 'report' function.

You are quite right, this is not all of the IRCA exam. It comprises 10 multiple choice questions in section 1 - 4 questions requiring brief descriptive answers in section 2 - 2 longer answers in section 3 and 3 scenarios requiring analysis and perhaps an N/C to write in section 4.

There are 4 exam papers which are rotated.

 

[Colin]

Done!

Thanks Andy, I know I get a bit over-protective about these things but I try to do my best to make the exam meaningful and anything like this potentially diminishes the effectiveness of the exams.

 

[Marc]

Since I have used very similar questions in courses I used to give, and since these are so general, you're making a big deal out of nothing. In fact, you have made it an issue through your confirmation. If these questions being posted potentially diminishes the effectiveness of the exams, if I dig up some of my auditor exam questions and post them they will also potentially diminish the effectiveness of the exams.

This is a silly dust up over 10 very basic questions.

 

[Paul Simpson]

Since I have used very similar questions in courses I used to give, and since these are so general, you're making a big deal out of nothing. In fact, you have made it an issue through your confirmation. If these questions being posted potentially diminishes the effectiveness of the exams, if I dig up some of my auditor exam questions and post them they will also potentially diminish the effectiveness of the exams.

This is a silly dust up over 10 very basic questions.

So shall we just get hold of all the exam papers and post the questions and model answers up here?

We can move on to the ASQ exams after that.

 

[Wes Bucey]

So shall we just get hold of all the exam papers and post the questions and model answers up here?

We can move on to the ASQ exams after that.

There are legitimate preparation courses which do exactly that for ASQ certification exams. Heck, the ASQ exams are "open book" and my Section often has a seminar on techniques to use the books, which books to use, and an entire seminar devoted to using a calculator to derive answers to math questions in the various exams. The very act of studying past exams is fair. The only not fair ploy is to derive the answers from others and smuggle them in to copy on the test sheet. If the test taker has memorized all the possible answers, he's really learned the topic whether he intended to or not.

For my part, here and in the moderator discussion, I advocate restoring the questions to the thread. After all, if the questions had been posted one to a thread, instead of all at once, the issue would have never arisen.

In point of law, only the copyright holder has the right to ask that copyrighted material be not posted in a public forum, which right is completely obviated if the copyright holder, in fact, offers a free view of the material elsewhere. Copyright is primarily to protect financial reward of copyright holder, not keep material secret.