Sources of every single paragraph of the ISO 9001 standards?

[Ettore]

It is possible to go back to its sources for each single point contained in the ISO standards (from which TQM method it was taken for example, why ISO TC 176 decided to insert it and on what historical basis?

 

[Howard Atkins]

why do you want to?

 

[Jim Wynne]

The original version of ISO 9001 was copied more or less verbatim from British standard BS5750. It was section 4 of that standard, which is why the original of 9001 started with 4.0. This makes no sense, but there it is.

 

[Sidney Vianna]

As Jim mentioned, the genesis of ISO 9001:1987 is the BS 5750 Part 1, which was an “evolution” of military standards. Since the mid 1990’s, though, SC 2 has been intentionally rewriting the requirements to make it less manufacturing biased, more friendly to service, small and medium size and non-hardware intensive organizations. The latest edition was highly structured under the “mandated” High Level Structure”. The real question is: should a document that allows for so much variation of outcomes be called a standard?

20 years of ISO 9000

 

[Ettore]

Thanks, I have copies of all the ISO 9000 series standards since 1987 and the BS 5750 copy

 

[Ettore]

For example, we talk about the PDCA cycle, but the sources are not cited, you point out a standard of the ISO 9001 series that mentions Deming as a source, I have not been able to find it.

 

[Ettore]

If I enter Wikipedia the sources of the written texts are infinite, it is not so easy to go to the sources instead by reading the ISO 9000, in fact for years I have had 3rd party Auditors who absolutely did not know the sources and I do not go into detail

 

[John Broomfield]

Requirements are not meant to find their way into our consensus standards until they are widely accepted as good practice.

This rule can make seeking the source for each requirement seem rather pointless.

Students are usually advised not to start with the management system standards but to develop a much broader understanding of customer needs, quality engineering, leadership, management systems, audit, accreditation and certification before studying the system standards.

 

[Randy]

I have had 3rd party Auditors who absolutely did not know the sources and I do not go into detail

3rd party auditors have no need to know the sources, it's a waste of time and your money to even fret over that dribble during an audit that may be costing you (or your employer) $200+ an hour

If you really, really need to know your best source is posted below, give 'em a call or better yet go there and ask face to face.

International Organization for Standardization
ISO Central Secretariat
Chemin de Blandonnet 8
CP 401 - 1214 Vernier, Geneva, Switzerland

E-mail: [email protected]
Tel.: +41 22 749 01 11
Fax: +41 22 733 34 30

 

[Ettore]

3rd party auditors have no need to know the sources, it's a waste of time

Great Randy,
I am putting this sentence on the board