Statistical process programs for PPAP: Expecting some to become obligatory?

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hillman

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Greetings

At present under consideration there is a question wither there are a STATISTICAL PROCESS PROGRAMS that are increasingly preferred in the US and international industry to submit data for the APPROVAL of the compliance with PPAP requirements. Production in Russia is considered. Is it expected in the US industry that any of the Ford, GM or DaimlerChrysler would set requirements with respect to Statisticsl Process Control data provision – on the program package, which is to be used, or introduce some specific format of data provision? If it’s the case, that is important for planning Russian industry development, switching from one program package to another is costly, planning industry development with the assumption that non of the Russian component producers would supply either as tier 2 or 1 supplier to leading international producers is senseless. I would appreciate for any comments.

With best regards, Alexander, Moscow
 
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Bill Ryan - 2007

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Welcome to the Cove, Alexander :bigwave:

I don't know of any prescribed format from the OEMs. When I submit a PPAP, the SPC portion contains a Histogram, Control Chart, and a data sheet. On the two charts supplied were the pertinent capability indices (CP/Cpk, Pp/Ppk). This was made very easy with Minitab and didn't take that much effort "in the old days" using Excel. I never had any issues with an OEM or "tiered" customer.

Does that help?
 

Howard Atkins

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Please can you give more details.
What program are you using?
What are the names of the new programs?
Is it just the statistical part of the PPAP?
 
H

hillman

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"Is it just the statistical part of the PPAP?" Primary concern at present stage is just statistical part.

"What program are you using?" Program package under consideration, I’m not sure it’s known in US, the “Attestator”.
 
H

hillman

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Welcome to the Cove, Alexander :bigwave:

I don't know of any prescribed format from the OEMs. When I submit a PPAP, the SPC portion contains a Histogram, Control Chart, and a data sheet. On the two charts supplied were the pertinent capability indices (CP/Cpk, Pp/Ppk). This was made very easy with Minitab and didn't take that much effort "in the old days" using Excel. I never had any issues with an OEM or "tiered" customer.

Does that help?
Touched by the hospitality at the forum.

Given that as I suppose there is no big difference in the standards of OEM of working with suppliers across the United States, I conclude that your reply tells about the industry in the USA.

It is valuable information. Thank you.
 

Howard Atkins

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As I see it this is a Russian program
PRIORITЕТ Centre

Computer Translation

Attestator
.An analysis of the status and potential of technological processes, the methods SPC (control charts, histograms, indexes), support certification routes and equipment. .Help audit of the quality systems, "Managing" and "Statistical Methods." Analysis of measurement system (MSA)

I think that your understanding that it is a required tool might be based on this
Information

October 9, 2001. In the Representation of the “Ford Motor Company” JSC (Vsevolozhsk, Leningrad region) just opened in Nizhny Novgorod the STA manager Lubomir Stefan met with the director general of PRIORITY Centre, Vadim Lapidus, and the executive director, Alexander Glazounov. The outcome was a pre-agreement concerning perspective partnership of the two companies with regard to developing FORD Russian suppliers. Lubomir Stefan backed the idea of expanding the list of Russian enterprises prepared to become potential suppliers of the FORD company and participate in QS-9000 and ISO/TS 16949 supplier development programs.
Some of the big 3 have demanded the use programs such as Powerway but there is no mandated program for statistics

Hope this helps
 
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bgwiehle

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...Some of the big 3 have demanded the use programs such as Powerway but there is no mandated program for statistics
We have recently gone through a review of Ford's Supplier In-Process Metrics requirements with our SQA (in our ongoing efforts to finally get Q1 status) and had to justify our use of GaugeTrak for Gauge R&R calculations instead of Ford's preference, Minitab. We have both programs, and had to provide printouts using real data sets to show that the numbers matched.

In the past, due diligence to show that formulas matched those in the AIAG MSA manual was sufficient for our other customers and quality system auditors.

B.G. Wiehle
 
H

hillman

#8
As I see it this is a Russian program
PRIORITET Centre

Attestator
An analysis of the status and potential of technological processes, the methods SPC (control charts, histograms, indexes), support certification routes and equipment. .Help audit of the quality systems, "Managing" and "Statistical Methods." Analysis of measurement system (MSA)

Yes, it's the program I meant, standard package to prepare SPC portion of PPAP plus set of more advanced tools.

I think that your understanding that it is a required tool might be based on this

Information
October 9, 2001. In the Representation of the “Ford Motor Company” JSC (Vsevolozhsk, Leningrad region) just opened in Nizhny Novgorod the STA manager Lubomir Stefan met with the director general of PRIORITY Centre, Vadim Lapidus, and the executive director, Alexander Glazounov. The outcome was a pre-agreement concerning perspective partnership of the two companies with regard to developing FORD Russian suppliers. Lubomir Stefan backed the idea of expanding the list of Russian enterprises prepared to become potential suppliers of the FORD company and participate in QS-9000 and ISO/TS 16949 supplier development programs.

Some of the big 3 have demanded the use programs such as Powerway but there is no mandated program for statistics

1. No statement on my side have been made supporting the idea that I take any software package mandatory for russian industry.

2. Ford "backed the idea of expanding the list Russian enterprisers prepared to become potential suppliers". The Prioritet center is not the industry, they are consultants.

3. DaimlerChrysler is not producing in Russia. GM scope of production activities in Russia didn't go much beyond producing Chevy-Niva at the Joint Venture with VAZ. From that this model is domestically developed I conclude that the highest interest out of big 3 to have component producers use the particular program had Ford. “Use of the programs such as Powerway was demanded”: can you name the source of information?

It's valuable information that there was a requirement to use particular programs, thank you.

Alexander
 
H

hillman

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We have recently gone through a review of Ford's Supplier In-Process Metrics requirements with our SQA (in our ongoing efforts to finally get Q1 status) and had to justify our use of GaugeTrak for Gauge R&R calculations instead of Ford's preference, Minitab. We have both programs, and had to provide printouts using real data sets to show that the numbers matched.

Should in this situation you would not have the Minitab, to prove, your program meets the requirements - would it be costly for you, in terms of both financial resources and effort, I mean, very rough assessment of the size of the task, can you answer?

In the past, due diligence to show that formulas matched those in the AIAG MSA manual was sufficient for our other customers and quality system auditors.

B.G. Wiehle

Alexander
 
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