Stealing your work and deserved recognition.

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Amaterasu

#31
Try to put a trademark of your own to your ideas so, everyone will notice that that is actually yours.

If everyone in higher management is too blind to see this, well have some dignity and respect for yourself and tell goodbay to them. It is worthless working in a company that hires copycats and people who don't have ethics nor respect for his own associates. :nopity:

Since I have people under my direct supervision, I have some cases that some of them work a good idea an put it into action with good results. My boss, the Quality Manager, congratulates me but I always tell him: "It wasn´t my idea. It was my associates' idea in which I only provide them with guidance and resources." Everyone is happy.

:tg:
 
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Jimmy the Brit

#32
Since I have people under my direct supervision, I have some cases that some of them work a good idea an put it into action with good results. My boss, the Quality Manager, congratulates me but I always tell him: "It wasn´t my idea. It was my associates' idea in which I only provide them with guidance and resources." Everyone is happy.
Well said Amaterasu :applause: - I couldn't agree more. If you share the kudos your team get the recognition they deserve and you get seen as a good manager by your team and your line management. Everybody wins. It has certainly worked for me over the years.

Jimmy
 

Helmut Jilling

Auditor / Consultant
#33
Hey, it's even bigger than just bosses. I just got sent a copy of an INPO (Institute of Nuclear Power Operations) procedure on Performance Assessment and Trending, Document 07-007. More than 1/3 the 86 page booklet was lifted from what I wrote on the Hanford website about trending. Word for word from http://www.hanford.gov/rl/uploadfiles/VPP_UsingConCharts.pdf, with the exception of the final statement saying who authored the document.

I've contacted INPO, and apparently one of the nuclear power plants represented on the author committed supplied "their" trending procedure for use.

Now, as it works out I have no copyright recourse (since the work was done for the government) but I have requested to INPO that they list me as an author.
I think we need to make a distinction here. It is "their" procedure. They issued it as a document describing their intended practices. You should be flattered that they think so highly of the caliber of what you wrote that they want to borrow it.

Now, if it was copyrighted, they are not permitted to use it wothout permission.

Students get busted if they copy others' work, because they did not do it themselves. But using others' concepts or even direct words is commonplace in business and entirely appropriate as long as it is not copyrighted. I am sure some of what I say or write is used by others, and I take quotes of some of the things respected posters here on the Cove say, and repeat it to my clients.That is what the free exchange of info is all about.

But, if copyrighted, it cannot be appropriated for commercial use. That violates the US Copyright laws.
 

Jim Wynne

Staff member
Admin
#34
Students get busted if they copy others' work, because they did not do it themselves. But using others' concepts or even direct words is commonplace in business and entirely appropriate as long as it is not copyrighted.
Steve's case is clearly not an issue of copyright infringement, but there is an issue of ethics. I did a fairly comprehensive PPAP guide (a sort of CSR for PPAP) for suppliers for a former employer, and it's still in use, available to the public on their supplier website. I have no claim to it, nor is any expected, but I also may reasonably expect that no one else will append his name to it and claim authorship (even though I would have no recourse, other than to complain). If the thing were revised, with portions of my original left intact I might not want any part of it attributed to me if the rewrite were poorly done, in fact.
 

Helmut Jilling

Auditor / Consultant
#35
Steve's case is clearly not an issue of copyright infringement, but there is an issue of ethics.
That's true. And when there is a wholesale appropriation of many pages of someone else's good work, it would certsainly be more professional to note kudos to the author. At the same time, a company procedure is a different case than if I write an article for a magazine and put my name on it. But, I agree with giving credit where it is due.


...If the thing were revised, with portions of my original left intact I might not want any part of it attributed to me if the rewrite were poorly done, in fact.
And, there's the other side of the discussion. Tough call.
 
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jem63

#36
Hey guys
I have this issue haunting me, wondering if anyone else from the cove has it.
The issue is called Stealing of your hardwork and recognition none other than your own boss.
I do all the hardwork in innovating new techniques and research, only to be taken by my boss and posing it as his own work:mad:. This is frustrating me to no extent.
Please let me know what you all do for this?
A little soft soap in the coffee cup. let it dry and the next day he/she will be running to the bathroom non stop. Obviously im kidding-
 

Wes Bucey

Quite Involved in Discussions
#37
I'm not sure whether I am more alert or more cranky in my "senior" years, but I have been in attendance at a number of presentations in the recent past where the material presented is implied to be the work of the presenter, but is so obviously different in tone and vocabulary from the presenter's own vocabulary and style that I almost always find myself compelled to play the spoiler role by stating this during the Q&A - something like, "Gee! This is interesting material, but you don't talk like the sentences in the handout, nor do you use the same kind of vocabulary. In fact, as you answer our questions, it seems almost like you have to look up the answers. Where did you get the original material for your presentation?"

As you may or may not have guessed, these are the type of presentations where the presenter does a lot of reading directly from the PowerPoint slides, with little or no amplification of the text on the slide. The handouts are usually just copies of the slides with the "notes" folks sometimes add to each slide (mostly, though, the notes are conspicuous by their absence.)

As you may also have guessed, there is a marked amount of discomfiture on the part of the presenter in mumbling something like, "Oh, I've done a lot of research from different sources." (never bothering to address the issue of the markedly different vocabularies.)

Bottom line:
I'm not sure whether they are thieves or just incompetent. However, they sure wouldn't be on my short list for someone to hire!
 
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justncredible

#38
I use to use Jims PPAP packadge, but I had to do some major changes to it, like the logo in the top left corner, and had to turn off comments. I still got copys of it, for ref. Was not sure if it was a closed release so I got others now. I posted some sheets from one the other day on here, and am not sure of the fair use of it. Now that I think of it, since Jims is open and free, he should post up his cap study excel sheet, it is a decent down and dirty sheet, and I am sure others would like it and use it.
 

Jim Wynne

Staff member
Admin
#40
I use to use Jims PPAP packadge, but I had to do some major changes to it, like the logo in the top left corner, and had to turn off comments. I still got copys of it, for ref. Was not sure if it was a closed release so I got others now. I posted some sheets from one the other day on here, and am not sure of the fair use of it. Now that I think of it, since Jims is open and free, he should post up his cap study excel sheet, it is a decent down and dirty sheet, and I am sure others would like it and use it.
What you're referring to is a different thing. You're referring to a bunch of PPAP forms, and my only input there was explanatory comments on the PFMEA and control plan forms. In fact, I have no idea who did put that package together, or how he or she got ahold of my PFMEA and control plan forms. Maybe it's a good case in point--those forms were used without my knowledge, but for a good cause, so I was glad to see them being used more widely than I was using them, regardless of attribution.
 
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