Steel Material Entry into the IMDS system

[TPMB4]

A quick question, can any registered organisation enter a steel material onto the IMDS system or does it have to be one of the IMDS committees that does it, such as Stahl und Eisen liste?

Question relates to non-standard steels which do not have a DIN/AISI/ASTM/ISO/etc grade reference.

 

[Jim Wynne]

Re: Steel material entry on IMDS

A quick question, can any registered organisation enter a steel material onto the IMDS system or does it have to be one of the IMDS committees that does it, such as Stahl und Eisen liste?

Question relates to non-standard steels which do not have a DIN/AISI/ASTM/ISO/etc grade reference.

Yes, you can create a material in the IMDS system. There are lots MDSs created by individual companies. Whether or not it's a good idea to do it is another question, however. It's usually done as an expedient when you can't find what you're looking for in the system, which can either be due to the fact that it doesn't exist there or you just haven't found it yet.

 

[TPMB4]

In my case usually means I haven't found it there. Really do not find the search function intuitive and find it's a game of checking/unchecking boxes and typing in terms in various entry boxes until you find what you are looking for.

I take it the comment about whether it's a good idea relates to the implications of putting your name and company down as the "owner" of the material. Whatever those implications are.

Sometimes though expediency means you have no choice. Steel is not a standard grade or any grade on the system, supplier might not be registered on IMDS or just doesn't want to get involved. Customer needs it on system so what can you do?

 

[Jim Wynne]

In my case usually means I haven't found it there. Really do not find the search function intuitive and find it's a game of checking/unchecking boxes and typing in terms in various entry boxes until you find what you are looking for.

I take it the comment about whether it's a good idea relates to the implications of putting your name and company down as the "owner" of the material. Whatever those implications are.

Sometimes though expediency means you have no choice. Steel is not a standard grade or any grade on the system, supplier might not be registered on IMDS or just doesn't want to get involved. Customer needs it on system so what can you do?

I understand. You gotta do what you gotta do. Searching the system can be trying and you're right, there's nothing intuitive about it.

 

[Kimmy]

According to IMDS rule 4.4.1.E - "Material data must only be created by material-producing companies. Companies not producing materials must obtain material data from their material suppliers or (if they use materials described in a public standard supported by IMDS) use the respective material MDS published by the IMDS Steering Committee".

With that said, we have created our own material modules for steels when none exist from the (3) IMDS companies: IMDS-Committee (423); IMDS-Committee/ILI Metals (18986) and Stahl und Eisen Liste (313).

We use the ASTM or equivalent spec for the element ranges of the material(s) NOT the MSDS when we create our own material modules.

 

[Badrul]

As a customer I always prefer my supplier to use material from IMDS committee because my end customer won’t question on the materials.
Yes, sometimes to search the correct material can be a bit tricky. I recommend my supplier to search by using keyword by putting Asterisk “ * ” together and narrow it down with supplier search, for my case the preferred MDS supplier is IMDS committee.

 

[Crimpshrine13]

This is a very old thread, so I am not sure if anyone will be able to respond, but I have recently encountered some issues with IMDS data that I submit to our customer.

Per Toyota rule for IMDS (https://public.mdsystem.com/documen...r7.4.pdf/e47d5225-6311-4e22-9743-9d58c0b068a7), they prefer suppliers to use IMDS Committee data, but my issue is that the raw material content on published IMDS Committee data (same JIS spec.) is very different from what we purchase (I have mill certificates). I am asking our customer what is the best way to work with this situation, but has anyone had encountered similar problems in the past and if so, how this was managed?

 

[Golfman25]

This is a very old thread, so I am not sure if anyone will be able to respond, but I have recently encountered some issues with IMDS data that I submit to our customer.

Per Toyota rule for IMDS (https://public.mdsystem.com/documen...r7.4.pdf/e47d5225-6311-4e22-9743-9d58c0b068a7), they prefer suppliers to use IMDS Committee data, but my issue is that the raw material content on published IMDS Committee data (same JIS spec.) is very different from what we purchase (I have mill certificates). I am asking our customer what is the best way to work with this situation, but has anyone had encountered similar problems in the past and if so, how this was managed?

I would check to make sure you have the right numbers. That site basically sucks for finding metal IMHO.

 

[Crimpshrine13]

I would check to make sure you have the right numbers. That site basically sucks for finding metal IMHO.

The spec is right and there is only this one entered by IMDS Committee for this spec, but I think they created the generic one based on the data provided by whoever requested them to create, which is different from our supplier's. Our supplier's mill certificates do not contain copper, nickel, and chromium (IMDS Committee data includes them), but contains silicone which is not included in IMDS Committee data, so even if those are less than 1%, it really is different. But Toyota wants IMDS Committee data, which is inaccurate for our purpose. Do I have to talk with IMDS Committee to create one for us if our suppliers do not enter this data?

 

[Scanton]

The search facility in the IMDS system is very frustrating and not at all user friendly however experience does help, and it does get a little easier the more you use it.

When a customer is not happy with the material I have referenced I usually ask them what they think the most appropriate material number should be based on the material certificate I am trying to reference?

In most instances they have dedicated people who spend a lot of or all of their time in the IMDS system and will happily give you a more relevant IMDS material number if one exists.