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Summary of ISO 9001:2000 and ISO 9001:2008 Changes

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Re: Summary of Changes - ISO 9001:2000 and ISO 9001:2008

kashizadeh said:
hi
I think the most change in 2008 is in clause 4.1-a . we should determine process not identified its.it is radical change. we should set goals and then determined what process we need to rich our goals.( I think so)
Are u agree with me?
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No. In the sense the standard uses the words, "determine" and "identify" mean the same thing. Note that TC176, while making the change from "determine" to "identify" also told us that there are no significant changes in the standard.
 
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Thank you , do u have Tc176 notes? can i have a copy of it or addresses that i can find it?
 
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kashizadeh said:
but when i ask from expert i hear that it is different between " identify" and "determine" and it is important when u want design the QMS in your organization.
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I've heard that before. But keep in mind that, if anyone tries to convince you that switching from identify to determine means a radical departure from the original intent, they are not experts, but hay processing devices:
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Look at the TC 176 ISO 9001:2008 FAQ, especially Q34:
34. How can the processes in an organization be determined?

Identify the organization's intended outputs, and the processes needed for achieving them. These will need to include processes for Management, Resources, Realization and Measurement and Improvement.


§ Identify all process inputs and outputs, along with the suppliers and customers, who may be internal or external.
§ Identify the sequence and interactions of the processes.
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Thank you , but i mean expert in English Language not in QMS.:)
 
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Re: Summary of Changes - ISO 9001:2000 and ISO 9001:2008

Stijloor said:
They're actually in the back of the ISO 9001:2008 document.

Stijloor.
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That would be a loooong version.

Several certification bodies have published a summary of changes. There was also a nice article in Quality Digest in January 09 on the topic.

You might try asking your certification body for a copy of theirs. Also, you can PM me and I'll send you a copy of one or two of the ones I have.
 
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kashizadeh said:
Thank you , do u have Tc176 notes? can i have a copy of it or addresses that i can find it?
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If you're looking for something that explains the rationale behind the 2008 changes, I don't know if such a thing exists. I'm not sure I'd want to see it if it does. :tg:
 
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