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Summary of ISO 9001:2000 and ISO 9001:2008 Changes

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Re: Summary of Changes - ISO 9001:2000 and ISO 9001:2008

howste said:
If ISO 9001:2000's original intent was already being met in a system, will IRCA auditors write a nonconformity if there are no changes made? :mg: If so, what will they write it against?
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Maybe Mr. Simpson, our "new" liaison with IRCA could explain it. But, let's realize that, in practical terms, IRCA's policies have very little impact on actual audits. IRCA (nor RABQSA) is not a mandatory part of the accredited certification process. Even IRCA certificated :tg: auditors can exercize selective hearing to IRCA's mandates.
 
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I have a QMS made according ISO 9001:2000, but I’m asking the registrar that the next audit (in December) will be made according ISO 9001:2008!
I will not make any changes in the system, and I’m sure the result will be the same as if the audit were to be made by the “old” standard!
In other words, ISO should be “very happy” making a “new” standard that is equal to the one replaced…
 
Icy Mountain

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Re: Summary of Changes - ISO 9001:2000 and ISO 9001:2008

My changes are over in this post.

Summary: no operational changes and 3 minor verbiage changes to my procedures manual for general tidiness.

If I read the ISO site at the end of the links above correctly, our 9001:2000 certs are good until 2011 while this phases in? That seems to contradict something I either read here or received from my CB, except I can't find it right now for the wording. I'll post back when I find it.
 
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Re: Summary of Changes - ISO 9001:2000 and ISO 9001:2008

Icy Mountain said:
our 9001:2000 certs are good until 2011 while this phases in? That seems to contradict something I either read here or received from my CB, except I can't find it right now for the wording. I'll post back when I find it.
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The joint IAF/ISO communique' states:
Validity of certifications to ISO 9001:2000
One year after publication of ISO 9001:2008 all accredited certifications issued (new certifications or recertifications) shall be to ISO 9001:2008. Twenty four months after publication by ISO of ISO 9001:2008, any existing certification issued to ISO 9001:2000 shall not be valid.
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So, there should be no (IAF endorsed) accredited ISO 9001:2000 certificate after November 14, 2010.
 
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Re: Summary of Changes - ISO 9001:2000 and ISO 9001:2008

Sidney Vianna said:
The joint IAF/ISO communique' states:
So, there should be no (IAF endorsed) accredited ISO 9001:2000 certificate after November 14, 2010.
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Then this guy from ISO needs to explain something to somebody:
Rafael A. de Arrascaeta F. said:
Since ISO 9001:2008 does not introduce additional requirements, certification to ISO 9001:2008 does not represent an “ upgrade ” in qualitative terms. Therefore, ISO 9001:2000 certificates should be afforded the same status during their period of validity as ISO 9001: 2008 certificates.
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That is from the ISO publication in Post #4. Dadgum it, the period of validity for my ISO9001:2000 certificate is July 29, 2011. It says so right on there. Then he goes on to say:
Rafael A. de Arrascaeta F. said:
When this issue of ISO Management Systems was going to press, it was expected that there would be a joint communiqué from ISO and the International Accreditation Forum (IAF)on an implementation timetable for organizations to be certified to the ISO 9001:2008 edition. This was expected to specify a period after which ISO 9001:2000 certificates will no longer be valid.
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Thanks for the clarification Sidney. What are the CB's going to require to issue a new certificate and, more importantly, what is that going to cost? It would seem to me that any surveillance audit would be enough to certify compliance. I am I going to have to pay another $500 just to get a new certificate? I think I could photoshop the 0 to an 8 on mine for way less than that.:notme:
 
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Re: Summary of Changes - ISO 9001:2000 and ISO 9001:2008

Icy Mountain said:
Then this guy from ISO needs to explain something to somebody:

That is from the ISO publication in Post #4. Dadgum it, the period of validity for my ISO9001:2000 certificate is July 29, 2011. It says so right on there.
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Sure - correct at the time because issued under 2000.

Icy Mountain said:
What are the CB's going to require to issue a new certificate and, more importantly, what is that going to cost?
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Shouldn't cost anything extra at all (unless your CB has some little clause in its agreement that enables them to charge for a change of cert or reissue)! They should just convert you across to the 2008 version at your next scheduled audit.

Icy Mountain said:
It would seem to me that any surveillance audit would be enough to certify compliance.
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Yes. This is what has happened for my clients on recent audits.

Icy Mountain said:
I am I going to have to pay another $500 just to get a new certificate?
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If they are seriously going to charge that, I'd protest vigorously as an outrageously high charge just for printing, signing & delivering a new bit of paper.
 
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what is different between "identify" and "determine" in 4.2.1(a) clause?is it affect on our QMS?
 
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Re: Summary of Changes - ISO 9001:2000 and ISO 9001:2008

kashizadeh said:
what is different between "identify" and "determine" in 4.2.1(a) clause?is it affect on our QMS?
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The word "determine" puts a little more emphasis on the organization's responsibility to focus on its processes as opposed to just "identify." However, the word change in itself does not affect your QMS.

Stijloor.
 
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Just a thought, but why do we have to pay the full amount for the 2008 version? If it was a software package the you would only pay for an upgrade!
May be we should just mark up the old document with the changes, it would be cheaper.
 
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Re: Summary of Changes - ISO 9001:2000 and ISO 9001:2008

Rea said:
Just a thought, but why do we have to pay the full amount for the 2008 version? If it was a software package the you would only pay for an upgrade!
May be we should just mark up the old document with the changes, it would be cheaper.
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I can't think of any good reason why not.
 
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