Supplier ISO 9001:2000 Certification Requirment - IATF Guidance Manual Contradiction?

[Angela-2007]

Tom;

Check the C9. You do need something showing that you have approval to do the audit. In order to perform the audit or to be deemed a "qualified lead auditor" you only need evidence of sucessfull completion of training (doesn't stated lead auditor training) or evidence of a minimum of five internal QS-9000 audits under the supervision of a qualified lead auditor. I have performed several of these assessments on our suppliers. You do have to show evidence, but you could just utilize the QSA to do that.

Angela

 

[Angela-2007]

Denise;

Keep in mind that any company that meets the requirements to perform the assessment could. It does not have to be your customer. So if your company is buddy buddy with another that meets the requirements, they could perform the assessment and you could supply the results to your customers.

Angela

 

[Lmccrary]

7.4.1.2

I just ran across this article in the newsletter our registrar sends out:

"The dilemma is how to get your entire supplier base registered to the minumum requirement in order to obtain your certification to TS. Supplier development personel know that it would take some time to get the complete supply base certified to ISO9001:2000, but management reps did not want to hear that they had to wait to obtain the certification for the organization. The question became, "What is the minumum requirement for the organization to meet the intent of this requirement in order to proceed with their certification"

"In order to meet the requirements of the standard, the organization needs to clearly state to their supply base the goal of conformity to TS and develop their suppliers toward that goal. The second concern is conformity and registration to ISO9001:2002. Suppliers should be required to provide evidence that they conform to the requirments of ISO as well as a timeline detailing the steps toward achieving registration by a third party certified body. This timeline should not extend past 18 months for achieving certification. The organization should be able to demonstrate knowledge of the status of the supply base and their progress toward achieving registration to ISO or TS."

"In the event a supplier chooses not to develop to ISO or TS, several options are availabe to the organization. The organization may choose to seek an exemption from the requirement by petitioning the customer for a deviation (Unless otherwise specified by the customer...) or the organization may choose to begin elimination of the supplier. For an exemption to be valid, it must be received from the customer's representative on the IATF Task Force."

 

[Denise]

OK, so we have different requirements depending upon whether a company has ISO/TS16949:2002 or QS9000.

It looks like with QS9000 C9 sanctioned interpretation, a supplier must have ISO certification or assessment by and OEM-approved second party, at a minimum.

For TS, the standard (page 19) states "Unless otherwise specified by the customer, suppliers to the organization shall be third party registered to ISO9001:2000 by an accredited third-party certification body.

However, in the TS16949 IATF Guidance Manual (page 18) it states that indicators of performance include: conformity to ISO, certification to ISO, compliance to TS, evidence of a process to achieve the above steps.

The same people wrote both docs. Therein lies the contradiction.

If we go with the guidance manual, I am presuming that any of those indicators are acceptable. Is there an imaginary 'OR' between each of those indicators or is there an imaginary 'AND'. I've always presumed that it was an 'OR'.

Being a supplier that has no certification at this time, our decision is to work toward certification of TS (QS will be obsolete shortly). Since most automotive OEMs are QS9000 certified, then they are forced to follow the QS sanction. Even though they will almost certainly migrate to TS (which minimally requires evidence of process....).

Is my summary correct?

I guess I will have to ask our registrar. This should be interesting.


Denise
Denise