Suppliers - How "direct" is "direct"? Services DIRECTLY to Chrysler, Ford, GM

S

SteelWoman

#1
#1
QS defines a "supplier" as "providers of production materials, production or service parts, or heat treating, plating, painting or other finishing services DIRECTLY to Chrysler, Ford, General Motors...."

My question: we are a raw material steel processor and are looking at a new program where one of the Big 3 will place the order with us, but we will not be the final processor - we will send out wide or slit coils to a blanker who will then blank the material before sending it on to our Big 3 customer. Does this trip us into the world of Tier 1 supplier or do we still maintain Tier 2 status as a "step removed" supplier?
 
SQCpack - Communicate Quality Metrics
Elsmar Forum Sponsor
S

SteelWoman

#2
#2
ALSO.....

Almost forgot... ALSO, how about a future where we decide to do the blanking ourselves? If we send blanks to the Big 3 DIRECTLY that, at least in my mind, would make us definitely Tier 1 since we would then be providing "production materials" for them to form into parts?
 
S

Sam

#3
#3
1- What did the Big 3 order from you? Raw material or blanks.
2- Are you using a Big 3 approved supplier for the blanks.
3- What are your requirements?
Knowing thes concerns will help in deciding your fate.
 
S

SteelWoman

#4
#4
info

The order is for the blanks, we will send the steel to another processor who will actually blank it and then send it on to the big 3 customer. What leaves OUR plant will be the steel, unblanked. The blanker is approved by our own QS procedures as an approved processor.
 
D

db

#5
#5
Blanks and blank checks

Part of the answer will depend on your relationship with the blanker. If the OEM pays you for the blanks, then the blanker is just a contractor (like a heat treater). Even if the blanker ships to the OEM, if the OEM pays you…you are the supplier!

If the OEM pays the blanker for the blanks, then you are the supplier to the blanker.

All IMHO of course, :p

Dave B (the other Dave)
 
S

Sam

#6
#6
If the purchase order is directed to your company for blanks, then you would be a Tier 1 supplier.
 
S

SteelWoman

#7
#7
Even if we dont' do the final process? The reason I'm seeking clarification is that in the PAST we have successfully argued in audits that, for instance, if a customer places an order with us and we process the material to a POINT, but then send the material to another one of our "sister plants" for the final processing, then the "sister plant" is Tier 1, but we are Tier 2. Our auditors have always accepted this. So then I wonder if we process material to a point and then send the material to someone ELSE for final processing, then how is that any different?
 
Marc

Marc

Fully vaccinated are you?
Staff member
Admin
#8
#8
> if a customer places an order with us and we process the
> material to a POINT, but then send the material to another
> one of our "sister plants" for the final processing, then
> the "sister plant" is Tier 1, but we are Tier 2.

Your sister plant is categorizing your plant as a supplier.

> if we
> process material to a point and then send the material to
> someone ELSE for final processing, then how is that any
> different?

Who is paid? Who got the order? You or the company which does the post-processessing for you? If you got the order and got paid, you're the Tier 1 even if it's 'drop ship' (post-processor ships directly to your customer). This is not as evident when the relationship is between 2 different plants under the same corporate umbrella.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Thread starter Similar threads Forum Replies Date
blackholequasar Approved suppliers under new division ISO 9000, ISO 9001, and ISO 9004 Quality Management Systems Standards 8
I Does BSI require suppliers to be ISO 9001 Certified? EU Medical Device Regulations 12
D Automotive Customer asking for ISO 14001 Certification from suppliers ISO 14001:2015 Specific Discussions 3
K Need Help With Auditing Suppliers Against ISO 9001 ISO 9000, ISO 9001, and ISO 9004 Quality Management Systems Standards 50
SANTHSH Consumables, Paints, End-covers, NDE Chemicals & Tools suppliers classification and evaluation Oil and Gas Industry Standards and Regulations 6
C Do suppliers require regulation? EU Medical Device Regulations 1
adir88 Qualifying Temporary Staff as Suppliers ISO 13485:2016 - Medical Device Quality Management Systems 10
T How to rank suppliers? Supplier Quality Assurance and other Supplier Issues 9
B ISO13485 Risk managment implementation for suppliers ISO 14971 - Medical Device Risk Management 2
J Outsourced Internal Audit requirements for Aerospace Suppliers AS9100, IAQG, NADCAP and Aerospace related Standards and Requirements 21
R Auditing COT's Suppliers / First Post Supplier Quality Assurance and other Supplier Issues 2
S Recommended software to send Quality scorecards to suppliers (external providers) Supplier Quality Assurance and other Supplier Issues 3
lanley liao Questions regarding the change of critical suppliers and key personnel Oil and Gas Industry Standards and Regulations 5
D ISO 9001 - 8.4.1 Evaluate All Suppliers? ISO 9000, ISO 9001, and ISO 9004 Quality Management Systems Standards 66
G Approval for tool suppliers Supplier Quality Assurance and other Supplier Issues 23
lanley liao Does all of the suppliers need to integrated into the supplier list qualified of the company? Oil and Gas Industry Standards and Regulations 2
M PSA Suppliers - CSR matrix and need the quality manual of PSA APQP and PPAP 6
O How to give a score/yield more correctly to my suppliers Supplier Quality Assurance and other Supplier Issues 12
P Managing How PPAP Requirements are Communicated in the Manufacturing Process and to Suppliers APQP and PPAP 5
B General Motors and Honda Alliance - What does this mean to suppliers? IATF 16949 - Automotive Quality Systems Standard 3
S Conflict Minerals - Tin Suppliers CMRT Miscellaneous Environmental Standards and EMS Related Discussions 13
T ISO 13485 - Process validation at critical suppliers ISO 13485:2016 - Medical Device Quality Management Systems 7
P Mylar plot suppliers in accordance with D6-51991 document AS9100, IAQG, NADCAP and Aerospace related Standards and Requirements 4
T Reaction Plan To Drive suppliers to IATF 16949 registration IATF 16949 - Automotive Quality Systems Standard 6
I Approved Suppliers ISO/IEC 17025:2017 and used test equipment ISO 17025 related Discussions 6
C Critical Suppliers for EU medical device approvals May 2020 EU Medical Device Regulations 1
M Who should receive the bills from suppliers and vendors, account payable or procurement? Consultants and Consulting 4
P Qualifying commercial off the shelf (COTS) external suppliers ISO 9000, ISO 9001, and ISO 9004 Quality Management Systems Standards 10
Nicole Desouza Are Shipping Companies Suppliers? Manufacturing and Related Processes 4
J Painted cut threads - ASME Pipe Suppliers Manufacturing and Related Processes 6
G ISO 9001 8.4 applied to 7.1.3 - Suppliers of infrastructure requirements - IT and Print solutions ISO 9000, ISO 9001, and ISO 9004 Quality Management Systems Standards 4
P IATF 16949 Clause 8.4.2.3 - Justification for non-certified suppliers IATF 16949 - Automotive Quality Systems Standard 14
J Requirements for customer directed suppliers Customer and Company Specific Requirements 5
R Supplier Controls we can place on Single-Source Suppliers ISO 13485:2016 - Medical Device Quality Management Systems 2
L Audit boundaries - Is a Registrar permitted to audit a company's QMS by visiting their suppliers? AS9100, IAQG, NADCAP and Aerospace related Standards and Requirements 26
R ISO 9001 versus ISO 13485 for Suppliers to Medical Device Companies ISO 13485:2016 - Medical Device Quality Management Systems 2
R Critical suppliers (Definition of) and MDSAP (Medical Device Single Audit Program) ISO 13485:2016 - Medical Device Quality Management Systems 19
P IATF 16949 - Monitoring Suppliers for Premium Freight IATF 16949 - Automotive Quality Systems Standard 12
DuncanGibbons Documentation aerospace OEMs require with purchase of parts from manufacturers/suppliers Manufacturing and Related Processes 0
K Supplier Controls for Animal Tissue Suppliers for Medical Devices Other Medical Device Regulations World-Wide 0
optomist1 Survey of Tier 1 & Tier 2 suppliers APQP and PPAP 6
P Non-Active Suppliers on CE Certificate EU Medical Device Regulations 2
C Suppliers re-classification from Critical to Significant or from Significant to Non-critical Supply Chain Security Management Systems 0
D Training for AS13000 - Problem Solving Requirements for Suppliers Training - Internal, External, Online and Distance Learning 17
eule del ayre List of Level 3 PPAP requirements for automotive suppliers APQP and PPAP 20
Q Does our material suppliers’ supplier have to be at least ISO 9001 certified? IATF 16949 - Automotive Quality Systems Standard 3
N How to deal with catalog parts suppliers who refuse to submit PPAP documents? APQP and PPAP 0
S Outsourcing manufacturing - Who controls the suppliers of parts to the CMO? ISO 13485:2016 - Medical Device Quality Management Systems 2
Ed Panek Supplier Auditing - No purchases from our key suppliers in the last 24 months ISO 13485:2016 - Medical Device Quality Management Systems 5
I IATF 16949 - 8.4.2.3 - Applicability to Shipping Suppliers IATF 16949 - Automotive Quality Systems Standard 11

Similar threads

Top Bottom