Supplier's Property - Does 7.5.4 Customer property apply to supplier's property

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Polly Pure Bread

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Does ISO 9001 7.5.4 Customer property applies to supplier's property?
i mean the reporting of damage, loss or supplier property that is unsuitable for use and keeping of records to satisfy principle 8: mutually benificial supplier relationships...

thanks.. your thoughts would be greatly appreciated..


 
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Ted Schmitt

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Re: Supplier's property

Does ISO 9001 7.5.4 Customer property applies to supplier's property?
i mean the reporting of damage, loss or supplier property that is unsuitable for use and keeping of records to satisfy principle 8: mutually benificial supplier relationships...

thanks.. your thoughts would be greatly appreciated..


Nothing in 7.5.4 applies to suppliers property. The moment the supplier emits his invoice to you, the material is technically already yours... even though it still may be at his organization.
 

SteelMaiden

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I would say the situation you describe would fall under receiving/inspection of purchased material and supplier evaluation.
 
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Polly Pure Bread

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Re: Supplier's property

Nothing in 7.5.4 applies to suppliers property. The moment the supplier emits his invoice to you, the material is technically already yours... even though it still may be at his organization.
There are suppliers’ properties provided by the suppliers to be used by us (the organization) for a specific purpose and period of time but and it should be returned to suppliers. If I am not mistaken, they call it “trade asset”. But I’m sure they have documented agreements for that.
 
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ethean

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My name is Ethean. I am a new member in this forum. I am particularly keen to find out how we can go about handling a situation like this:
We are holding stocks of materials and some toolings which belonged to our suppliers. We only pay for those materials as we consume them. No invoice and agreement signed to the effect. Shall we classify such as supplier property to be handled and controlled following established procedure for supplier property.
 
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Tony C

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Does ISO 9001 7.5.4 Customer property applies to supplier's property?
i mean the reporting of damage, loss or supplier property that is unsuitable for use and keeping of records to satisfy principle 8: mutually benificial supplier relationships...

thanks.. your thoughts would be greatly appreciated..
No 7.5.4 only applies to customer property. Supplier property requirements should be written into suppier contractual agreements to avoid any confusion.

Regards,

Tony
 

harry

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My name is Ethean. I am a new member in this forum. I am particularly keen to find out how we can go about handling a situation like this:
We are holding stocks of materials and some toolings which belonged to our suppliers. We only pay for those materials as we consume them. No invoice and agreement signed to the effect. Shall we classify such as supplier property to be handled and controlled following established procedure for supplier property.
Welcome to the Cove.

1. There is no provision in the ISO 9001 standard to address suppliers property. Therefore, whatever you do is outside the scope of the standard.

2. The usual business practice is to have some kind of understanding whether verbal or written.

3. However, it is a good business practice to take care of all your suppliers or customers properties as if it's your own (Mutually beneficial).
 
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arios

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Does ISO 9001 7.5.4 Customer property applies to supplier's property?
i mean the reporting of damage, loss or supplier property that is unsuitable for use and keeping of records to satisfy principle 8: mutually benificial supplier relationships...

thanks.. your thoughts would be greatly appreciated..


What is yours is yours...and what you buy and accept from your vendor is yours too

If you ever reject a product bought from your vendor and you get an RMA (Return Material Authorization) then you can say that the product is again the vendor's property because you did not accept it, but not related to 7.5.4., probably better covered under 7.5.5., 8.3 or 7.4
 
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arin_23

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What is yours is yours...and what you buy and accept from your vendor is yours too

If you ever reject a product bought from your vendor and you get an RMA (Return Material Authorization) then you can say that the product is again the vendor's property because you did not accept it, but not related to 7.5.4., probably better covered under 7.5.5., 8.3 or 7.4
To be precise yes. If a purchased product is rejected during your incoming inspection, then you should take care about the product's well being till it's once again lifted by the supplier. I would settle for 7.4.3 in this case. the PO raised to the supplies must be very much "Vocal" about the return clauses. The same shall be applied for supplier supplied drawings and prototypes if they are returnable.

In my experience I have seen some organizations where the customer supplies the raw material for "organization's" product realization process e.g. small machine shops doing machining on customer supplied material and in these cases the customer acts as the "Supplier". For this kind of supplies the same amount of care to be exercised as like dealing with customer property and hence this would be addressed by 7.5.4.

Regards,

Arin
 
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