Tailored ISO 9001:2008 for DLA (AS9100) (AS9003)

[Aero QA]

Hello All,

I am new here so please correct to the right forum if I'm in the wrong place.

We are US Government surplus supplier. We have about 11000 line items on hand at any moment. We have been a commercial supplier for almost 20 years. We are not certified in ISO 9100. We are compliant according to our QAM to ASA-100 & FAA AC 0056.

We have recently(past 2 years) been awarded several Origin I/A contracts with DLA that state below:

52.246-11 Higher Level Contract Quality Requirement (Manufacturers)
FAR CLAUSE 52.246-11 APPLIES. A QUALITY MANAGEMENT PROGRAM MEETING THE
REQUIREMENTS OF ISO 9001:2008; A PROGRAM COMPARABLE TO ISO 9001:2008
(EXAMPLE SAE AS 9100), THE FOLLOWING TAILORED VERSION OF ISO 9001:2008;
OR A PROGRAM COMPARABLE TO THE TAILORED VERSION OF ISO 9001:2008
(EXAMPLE SAE AS 9003) IS REQUIRED. MIL-I-45208 AND MIL-Q-9858 ARE
OBSOLETE AND NO LONGER CONSIDERED SUITABLE WHEN HIGHER LEVEL QUALITY IS
REQUIRED. IN THE TAILORED VERSION OF THE ISO 9001:2008, ANY REFERENCES
WHICH CITE THE ENTIRE INTERNATIONAL STANDARD ARE INTERPRETED AS
EXCLUSIONS TO THIS DOCUMENT.
DLA TAILORED HIGHER LEVEL QUALITY CLAUSE FROM ISO 9001:2008
4.1 General requirements, [excluding reference to 1.2 and excluding NOTE
3 c)]
4.2.1 General, [excluding subparagraph a)]
4.2.2 Quality manual, [excluding subparagraph a)]
4.2.3 Control of documents
4.2.4 Control of records
5.1 Management commitment
5.3 Quality policy
6.2.2 Competence, training and awareness
6.4 Work environment
7.1 Planning of product realization, [excluding NOTE 2]
7.2.1 Determination of requirements related to the product
7.2.2 Review of requirements related to the product
7.2.3 Customer communication
7.3.7 Control of design and development changes
7.4.1 Purchasing process
7.4.3 Verification of purchased product
7.5.1 Control of production and service provision
7.5.3 Identification and traceability
7.5.4 Customer property
7.5.5 Preservation of product
7.6 Control of monitoring and measuring equipment
8.1 General, [excluding subparagraph b) and subparagraph c)]
8.2.2 Internal audit
8.2.4 Monitoring and measurement of product
8.3 Control of nonconforming product
8.5.2 Corrective action
8.5.3 Preventive action


Currently, My DCMA Quality Assurance Specialist/Inspector say he is unable/refuses to inspected our contracts due to what he says that my company can not meet these requirements.

How do the 2 compare (ASA-100 vs AS 9003.) I have reviewed SAE AS 9003 and they do not appear to be all that different. How can I fight him on this?

Please help me!

 

[Sidney Vianna]

How do the 2 compare (ASA-100 vs AS 9003.)

Both ASA 100 and AS9003 are "less than" ISO 9001 documents.

AS9003 Rev. A has a slight better acceptance because it is more robust than the original version. Still, most IAQG member companies don't recognize AS9003 as a worthy standard to be flown down to it's distribution suppliers.

The most recognized standard for aerospace distributorships is the AS9120 standard.

In answer to your specific query, the tailored option of ISO 9001:2008 they accept seems to be the easiest path forward, but keep in mind that ISO 9001:2008 will become obsolete in 2 years and I am not sure if/how that would impact DLA's acceptance of the tailored (ISO 9001:2008 based) QMS.

 

[DannyK]

Hello,

AS9003 rev B, was issued in 2021.
My understanding is that the only changes from rev A are that the Rationale and Stabilized Notice were modified.
Can someone confirm that this is the case?
Besides SAE, are there any other sources to purchase this standard?

Danny