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Randy Stewart

What are you watching????

Seeing some of the parts coming from "certified" companies sure makes me believe that "Debbie Does 9k2k" and "3rd party registration" is the same thing. It has been rumored that a few years ago a certain company in the Detroit area was registered to QS by having Stanley Cup Final Tickets (against Philidelphia) ready for the auditors. I don't have definitive proof, but 2 close sources have confirmed it!

Before the Red Wing jokes start, I have it from Bahgdad Bob that the Wings did, in fact, sweep the Ducks and have sent the California Infidels packing!!!! And no, Bahgdad Bob was not a source mentioned in the first paragraph!:biglaugh:
 
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Randy, I really take issue with your generalization about 3rd-party certification. You should know very well that in any aspect of life you have good professionals, trash, and everything in between

Also, I am surprised about your continual criticism to 3rd part auditing. Back in December you were advocating the position that Registrars should not be punished when found in frauds and scams

That is what you wrote"

" . . The first registrar disciplined for misconduct will be opened up for lawsuit after lawsuit from their clients. All registrations will be questionable and it will dominoe from there. I, for one, don't want to see it. . . .
I guess all we can do is trust we made the correct choice and that the company we have gone with will have the intestinal fortitude to be up front with any issues.

" . . .Thanks for the info. I still think it's one of those "If you don't want to know the answer, don't ask the question" thing and way too political for me. I don't believe we'll ever see it change, it's just too big anymore and the ramifications would run too deep . ."


So, if you are not for the crackdown of bad registrars, why do you post messages like these? What is your point inferring that a company bribed their auditors?
 
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Randy Stewart

Hold on Sidney

You are correct when you state that I generalized. I know the names of the auditors and the company they work for, but I'm not going to name either (cover my behind).

As for my thoughts on the Registration bodies well, they only know what they see, right? If the auditors fake the audit how does the registration body know? I feel it's similar to the bar being sued because you drank too much and crashed your car. Someone has to take responsibility. So I'll stick to my guns there.

You ask:
What is your point inferring that a company bribed their auditors?
I'm not inferring anything, it's what I was told by the company's ex-QS Coordinator and backed up by the Q-Manager.

Listen Sidney, I've gone through 3 different registrars and I interviewed 4 more before I arrived at who we currently use. You're right as with anything there's good and bad, I know this. There are many companies out there that can't pass a 2nd party audit but have an ISO/QS registration. You know that as well as I do.
The auditors need to be monitored and the auditees should not be responsible to pay for it. Interpretations to the standard :vfunny: should be standardized and there should be no need for a web site like this:biglaugh: That's a perfect world. I've seen the pros and cons on both sides but there should be some type of proficiency test the auditors must pass. That's what I'm referring to.

Don't take it personnal, it was never intended to be a slam to any one (I'd have named them if it was) and I'm not slamming the auditing profession. A few bad ones give the whole lot a bad name, I know.
The individuals we work with now have been a huge help in our development. They are constructive with their findings and not focused on us being certified. Compliance and a solid understanding of the "system" is what they look at. I'd be hard pressed to replace them.

I appologize if I offended you Sidney, I was not trying to fit anyone here in the cove into the situation I described.
:agree: :truce:
 
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Rjack

Out of work

Last Friday, April 25th, I suffered the unfortunate demise that it seems a number of others on this forum have suffered. The company that I was working for terminated their quest for ISO 9001:2000 certification and so my position as ISO Coordinator was eliminated.

This seems to be a situation that is becoming more common all the time.

The company was being required to seek registration by one of their customers and was not seeking registration for any other reason. It’s a small company of approximately 50 people in the business of printing pressure sensitive labels and small cartons for consumer products. The business is doing very well and they are a good company to work for. They were on a drop-dead date to become registered and hired me for that explicit purpose. We were on target to meet the date and were ready to schedule the certification audit. They had been renegotiating their contract with the customer and managed to negotiate out of the contract the requirement for certification. This was accomplished by price concessions. I have now been involved in several scenarios like this and have knowledge of quite a few others. It’s becoming a little demoralizing. I find it ironic that a customer finds ISO certification so valuable that they require it from a customer, but if concessions are offered in lieu of registration, ISO certification is not that important anymore. I have been told by an ISO Coordinator for a company that supplies to General Motors that General Motors is easing the certification requirements and may soon not require them at all.

With that said, I am now seeking employment.

I have a broad background in manufacturing; customer service, sales, production supervision, technical service, etc. I live in the Greater Cincinnati, Ohio area (southwest Ohio, southeast Indiana, northern Kentucky).

If any of you are aware or should become aware of an employment opportunity I would appreciate it if you would pass it on. I would also appreciate any tips that you might have.

Thank you and best wishes!
 
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Al Dyer

Mike,

Your post is very true, anybody married over 20 years will agree with you. The women are sneaky and know exactly what they are doing. Also add that they are proud of this fact.

Also true is the notion that you don't need 2 women on any team. As they already have the propensity for "alternate" methods they will undoubtably end up with one of them having to run away due to the knife in the back.

That said, I truly believe that teams should always include women, they may go off at home (haha) but in a proffesional setting they can really help balance the blustering and positioning that men do at meetings.

Al...
 
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energy

Re: Out of work

Rjack said:

Last Friday, April 25th, I suffered the unfortunate demise that it seems a number of others on this forum have suffered. The company that I was working for terminated their quest for ISO 9001:2000 certification and so my position as ISO Coordinator was eliminated.
This seems to be a situation that is becoming more common all the time.
RJ,

As I started this thread before Christmas, I feel your pain. I have been told by a Head Hunter to drop the emphasis on ISO for exactly the reasons you mentioned. More and more companies do not care about ISO. He said, mention ISO experience but tone it down. Made no difference in my case, because I know that it is age bias. Nobody hires old. (60). Higher medical premiums, uncertainty as to health and longevity, let alone the typical thoughts of "younger and cheaper". They would have been surprised how much cheaper I would have been. So, I start my new job Monday and, while it's not my first choice, it will do. Good Luck. :D :smokin:
 
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JodiB

Yes, I was told to de-emphasize ISO also. And it took me awhile to get my new job, but I was picky about what I wanted so I held out for it.

The thing is to sell yourself on your skills that exist outside of a particular ISO standard. I went from working with ISO 14001 at one job to being hired to develop an ISO 9001 program at another, to now working with the HSE dept at yet another! It's not so much about knowing one standard or another, it's more about the "mind set" that comes from working with the management standards that will serve you well.

Make sure you post your resume on Monster and Careerbuilder, and if you email me I'll send you the contact information for a recruiter in Michigan who specializes in quality folk.

Best of luck to you Rjack!
 
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leanne - 2009

Originally posted by Al Dyer
Mike,

Your post is very true, anybody married over 20 years will agree with you. The women are sneaky and know exactly what they are doing. Also add that they are proud of this fact.

Also true is the notion that you don't need 2 women on any team. As they already have the propensity for "alternate" methods they will undoubtably end up with one of them having to run away due to the knife in the back.

That said, I truly believe that teams should always include women, they may go off at home (haha) but in a proffesional setting they can really help balance the blustering and positioning that men do at meetings.

Al...
LOL... :biglaugh: Now that you know our secret, we'll have to kill you... :bonk:
 
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leanne - 2009

I've rejoined the world of employment

:bigwave:

I neglected to post an update. I guess subconsciously I feared that JINX factor....

I started working again in mid-April, but I had to move to Indy from Texas for the job. DH is still in TX & has an employment contract though 12/2004. I'm again an individual contributor & no longer in the ranks of management (there are pros & cons.) I am STILL in QUALITY.

For all you who have already posted about working again, congrats. To all those still looking, I wish you a speedy offer.

I am thankful to not be substitute teaching anymore :frust:. Peggy Hill, I am not!
 
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