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[energy]

The pot calling the kettle...

Heck, Energy, I've seen you go postal here in the Cove on much lesser slights!

Really?

There is no right or wrong answer here, to each his own, and I realize we can't go to the top with every minor slight or injustice we may face, but this one would be enough to make me make the effort. JMO.

You don't work there. Remember? The interview is over, now beat it before we call security.

 

[energy]

Pwew...how did we get here?

When we "go along" we become the enemy!

I didn't want to quote the whole injustice thing again. Once is enough. A fact of life: When we "don't go along" (mind our own business) we may become the unemployed.

 

[David Hartman]

What right do I have? I was slandered, that's what. Called a liar. Sorry, but I take that personally, especially when it might cost me a job opportunity or worse. That's kinda a big deal. Heck, Energy, I've seen you go postal here in the Cove on much lesser slights!

Will it do me any good to go to the Top Dog? Maybe , maybe not. Would I want to work there? Maybe, maybe not. IMO it is another case of maybe doing something (contacting the Top Dog) will do no good other than giving me the satisfaction of having done so. But how will I know unless I do it? One thing I know for sure, if I do nothing then nothing good can possibly come of it for me, and it is likely this HR jerk will continue his/her crappy ways with other candidates. Heck, what do I have to lose anyway? Because too many people do not stand up when they should this is one reason why we get such crappy service in so many venues.

If I were the Top Dog and someone in my employ did this I'd wanna know right away, wouldn't you? Maybe too many people who consider this HR person a jerk don't complain. Who knows? Neither of us do, we can only guess. You might have "seen it" before, but not every situation is the same.

Again, it is not like I'm risking losing my job and not feeding the family just for my pride -- I don't work there!

There is no right or wrong answer here, to each his own, and I realize we can't go to the top with every minor slight or injustice we may face, but this one would be enough to make me make the effort. JMO.

I have to agree Mike, I don't believe that there is any room in this world for bullies (especially "professional" bullies). Whether this company's management knew of the antics of this HR person or not, I would have made sure that they were aware of it before it was all said and done.

In the scenario you described, the only one who really had anything to lose by your going to the Top Dog would have been the HR person (especially since you weren't an employee), and one possible result that has not been discussed is the fact that it could have resulted in another review of your credentials possibly leading to an offer of employment. We'll never really know, so there are many possibilities that are valid (both negative and positive).

At this point, it has become a learning experience that one has to ponder and determine in their own mind - What have I learned from this experience, and could I have handled this situation differently that would have resulted in a more positive outcome? The answer to each being as varied between individuals as the responses we have seen here (for we each have our own past experiences, background, training (formal and informal), environments, faith/beliefs, etc. which weigh heavily on our analysis and decision making processes).

 

[Mike S.]

Really?



You don't work there. Remember? The interview is over, now beat it before we call security.

Correctamundo, I don't work there! Exactly! What do I have to lose by blowing the whistle on the jerk in HR? So I tell the HR person I'd like to speak to the Top Dog, and if denied, I ask to speak to his/her boss (if that is not the Top Dog). If, as you say, I'm told to hit the door before they call security, okay, I leave peacefully. But, I either shortly thereafter call and speak with the Top Dog and/or send a certified letter to the Top Dog. After that, depending on what happens and what I think the fallout may be, I might even call an attorney for advice. (For example, if this is a small, tightly knit kinda business where I think the HR jerk might call other potential employers and lie to them about me, thereby hurting my chances at other companies.)

And, yes, Mr. Kettle, I never said I didn't occasionally go after folks here as well, so relax! There's no hypocracy.

 

[energy]

May I speak to the President?

Correctamundo, I don't work there! Exactly! What do I have to lose by blowing the whistle on the jerk in HR? So I tell the HR person I'd like to speak to the Top Dog, and if denied, I ask to speak to his/her boss (if that is not the Top Dog).

Mike, I just had to do it.

Interviewer: So, what positions did you hold in previous employment?
Interviewee: My last position was Quality Manager, Mgt Rep, Safety & Environmental Mgr.
Interviewer: And before that?
Interviewee: Management Rep.
Interviewer: And before that?
Interviewee: Quality Manager, Mgt Rep, Safety & Environmental Mgr.
Interviewer: What about before that?
Interviewee: Quality Engineer
Interviewer: Anything else?
Interviewee: Yes, Quality Assurance Manager before that.
Interviewer: Is that all?
Interviewee: No. I was an Inspector
Interviewer: Oh c’mon now. How old are you?
Interviewee: Hey, you can’t ask me that!
Interviewer: You don’t look old enough to have held all those positions.
Interviewee: So, are you calling me a liar?
Interviewer: Kind of.
Interviewee: I object. Who do you think you are? I have my principles. I demand to see the Top Dog.
Interviewer: Not without an appointment.
Interviewee: Get me one, now!
Interviewer: Get out, now!
Interviewee: I have my rights.
Policeman: You have the right to an attorney. If you can’t afford one……………

 

[Aaron Lupo]

Gee. I remember back in the 60's when interviewers were asking female applicants if they were using birth control. I remember the snickering when HR folks put little marks on applications to signal race or ethnicity of the applicant. I remember receptionists being given instructions to tell any black or Hispanic applicants walking in that "all positions are filled" while the "Applicants Wanted" sign was a permanent fixture in front of the building.

In the 80's, I remember the "token black" or "token female" who never seemed to be able to get a promotion or invited to lunch or golf or any of the other things that went to establish a person as part of the "team."

Worst of all, I remember women and black men who used to say (and some still do), "I got where I am by my own efforts. They [meaning other women or other blacks] should be able to do the same."

Discrimination is NEVER right, no matter what the context. It's just a small step to going along when the boss says "Ship this!" when you know the product doesn't meet the spec. It's just another little step to go along when you know the purchasing agent is taking kickbacks for buying overpriced goods. As a profession, as individuals, we cannot "just go along."

A long time ago, cartoonist Walt Kelly had his protagonist, Pogo, say in a famous, oft-reprinted strip, "We have met the enemy and he is us."

When we "go along" we become the enemy!

Hey we all have our own way of handling things you do your thing and I will do mine, is one way better than the other, not really. Did I have anything to gain by being a noise maker no, did I have anything to lose probably not. In the grand scheme of things this was not that important to me. I know my resume is 100% accurate, was I ticked off that she was pretty much calling me a liar, you betcha, but i handled it the way I felt I should have. :truce:

 

[Mike S.]

Sheriff needs to take better care of the evidence

Mike, I just had to do it.

Interviewer: Oh c’mon now. How old are you?
Interviewee: Hey, you can’t ask me that!
Interviewer: You don’t look old enough to have held all those positions.
Interviewee: So, are you calling me a liar?
Interviewer: Kind of.
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Not exactly, Sheriff.

Isoguy's original post was "I was 6 hours into the second interview with this company and had talked with everyone I would be working with, then comes the HR Manager, what a pleasent "lady" she was. I had interviewed great with everyone else than it happens. I was accused of lying on my resume "There is no way someone your age could have done everything you have listed", (that really mad me ), but I camly asked what in particular she was questioning and again "there is no way you have done all the things you have listed" I again asked what she was questioning, "the experience you have listed is a lie",

2nd interview. 6th hour. Interviewed great with everyone else. Then this happens. She calls me a liar 3 times. She is 100% wrong.

Again, to each his/her own, if you wanna waltz out and just forget it, that's fine and your business, it just isn't what I would do. And I woulda bet that you wouldn't have, either. Guess I woulda bet wrong.

 

[energy]

Nobody made any noise.....

Hey we all have our own way of handling things you do your thing and I will do mine, is one way better than the other, not really. Did I have anything to gain by being a noise maker no, did I have anything to lose probably not. In the grand scheme of things this was not that important to me. I know my resume is 100% accurate, was I ticked off that she was pretty much calling me a liar, you betcha, but i handled it the way I felt I should have. :truce:

What did it for me with your situation was when the QA Manager had to ask why you were leaving. Unbelievable. You're better off. I would have needed a litle more support from anybody before I even thought of raising an objection. This was a place that didn't deserve another minute of your time. In fact, I would have headed for the door and not even given the QA Manager another look. To stay another moment, for me, was to invite disaster. I'm sure you get my drift.

 

[energy]

Hey, Court Reporter

I[/B] would do. And I woulda bet that you wouldn't have, either. Guess I woulda bet wrong.

It was a joke, my somber amigo. Geez.

 

[Mike S.]

What did it for me with your situation was when the QA Manager had to ask why you were leaving. Unbelievable. You're better off. I would have needed a litle more support from anybody before I even thought of raising an objection. This was a place that didn't deserve another minute of your time. In fact, I would have headed for the door and not even given the QA Manager another look. To stay another moment, for me, was to invite disaster. I'm sure you get my drift.

I was led to believe that the interview with the HR person was 1 on 1 and the QA Manager was not present when the HR "lady" called Isoguy a liar. Maybe I was wrong.