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The 5 Core Tools Training for Internal Auditors

krishkaar

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#11
We have always included the 5 Core Tools Training for our internal auditors, as they are expected to perform-System/Process/Product Audits.

We have observed that our quality of internal assessment has improved a lot.
 
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Raffy

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#12
In our end, we require our internal auditors to have knowledge of the core tools. Otherwise, it would be a problem on the auditor’s part, how to audit the company’s SPC or MSA System. :)
Raffy :cool:
 
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selsensoy

#13
As a research and development company for the automotive field, I was wondering if all the 5 core tools in the automotive area necessary for the internal auditor’s? It was suggested by a third party auditor to have it done.


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Ford CSR
Internal Auditor Qualifications
Internal quality management system auditors shall be qualified per 4.39.1 or 4.39.2
below.
4.39.1 Be trained and evaluated in the following areas:
• The Technical Specification ISO/TS 16949:2002
• Related core tools (e.g. APQP, SPC, MSA, FMEA, PPAP)
• Applicable customer-specific requirements, and
• The automotive process approach to auditing.
And, as part of the training, participates in practice sessions
equivalent to one audit day in:
• Case study audits, and/or
• Auditing role plays/simulations, and/or
• On-site audits.
Core tools and customer specifics can be taught by company or
industry recognized experts/specialists.
4.39.2 Or, have conducted at least 5 internal ISO/TS 16949:2002 internal audits
during the prior 24 months under the supervision of an auditor trained as
specified in 4.39.1 . The audits will need to have covered all
requirements of the technical specification and all processes directly
impacting Ford part quality at least once over the 5 or more audits.
 
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jhoniegudel

#14
Ford CSR
Internal Auditor Qualifications
Internal quality management system auditors shall be qualified per 4.39.1 or 4.39.2
below.
4.39.1 Be trained and evaluated in the following areas:
• The Technical Specification ISO/TS 16949:2002
• Related core tools (e.g. APQP, SPC, MSA, FMEA, PPAP)
• Applicable customer-specific requirements, and
• The automotive process approach to auditing.
And, as part of the training, participates in practice sessions
equivalent to one audit day in:
• Case study audits, and/or
• Auditing role plays/simulations, and/or
• On-site audits.
Core tools and customer specifics can be taught by company or
industry recognized experts/specialists.
4.39.2 Or, have conducted at least 5 internal ISO/TS 16949:2002 internal audits
during the prior 24 months under the supervision of an auditor trained as
specified in 4.39.1 . The audits will need to have covered all
requirements of the technical specification and all processes directly
impacting Ford part quality at least once over the 5 or more audits.

This comment absolutely correct.
How and auditor can audit MSA, SPC, APQP, PPAP & PFMEA if they have no competency on it ....??????


jhonie

Quality Assurance Staff of IGP Group
 
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LBlonde65

#15
I am in the automotive field but we do not supply Ford

I was wondering if all the 5 core tools in the automotive area necessary for the internal auditor?s? It was suggested by my third party auditor who was here in August

does anyone have a presentation???
 
#17
Since you are in Michigan, I'd try Omnex or Eagle Group (no affiliation). They offer proper training. A presentation is not going to be much use. Hands on with the Core Tools is far better, even for auditors, otherwise, they won't have a clue what they're looking at! For example, MSA. Who audits that? They HAVE to know if what's being done is any good.
 
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