The 7 Procedures Required by TS 16949

[adzareena03]

hi there,
i know my question is a bit stupid. but i still need ur help out there.
my question is...
what are the 7 pre-requisite procedure for TS16949:2002?
For ur info our consultant had been terminated...please help

 

[Manoj Mathur]

Procedure 1 --- Control of Document
Procedure 2 ---- Control of Records
Procedure 3 ---Internal Audit
Procedure 4 --- Control of Non Conforming Products
Procedure 5 --- Corrective Action
Procedure 6 ---- Preventive Action
Procedure 7 --- Training


Please note last has been added in TS2 and not mandatory in ISO 9001:2000

 

[db]

I would also point out that 4.2.1 d) requires you to have other documents the process needs. You may very well find out that you really NEED 10 procedures.

 

[D.Scott]

hi there,
i know my question is a bit stupid. but i still need ur help out there.
my question is...
what are the 7 pre-requisite procedure for TS16949:2002?
For ur info our consultant had been terminated...please help

Welcome to the Cove adzareena. I would like to point out to you that at the Cove there are no "stupid questions". That's why we get together here. Lots of us don't know all the answers and none of us are too big headed to admit it (well, with a couple of exceptions maybe). When we need an answer, we ask. Don't ever hesitate to ask when you need help.

Dave

 

[adzareena03]

I would also point out that 4.2.1 d) requires you to have other documents the process needs. You may very well find out that you really NEED 10 procedures.

thanks. but what do you mean by 10 procedures? is there any black and white proving that there are 10 pre-requisite procedure instead of 7 stated previously?

 

[adzareena03]

Welcome to the Cove adzareena. I would like to point out to you that at the Cove there are no "stupid questions". That's why we get together here. Lots of us don't know all the answers and none of us are too big headed to admit it (well, with a couple of exceptions maybe). When we need an answer, we ask. Don't ever hesitate to ask when you need help.

Dave

Thanks for the warm welcome Dave. Any how, i really feel great in this community.

 

[apestate]

I could see 10 procedures in the technical specification 16949 of ISO 9001:2000 easy.

Reason for that being 7 required by the standard, but as db stated " I would also point out that 4.2.1 d) requires you to have other documents the process needs. You may very well find out that you really NEED 10 procedures. "

Basically there's a lot to do in TS and a procedure makes some of those required activities much easier to accomplish.

What is your organization about? The way I went about planning ISO 9001 was sort of flow charting our various key processes. I found that the structure of ISO 9001 was created with a certain basic organization type in mind and we had to make the standard follow our processes, but it's all there! Everything in the book makes sense and has a place.

This is why I ask you about the nature of your organization.

 

[Rob Nix]

(to Dave B and atetsade) I think what "adz3" is asking is what the other three "procedures" are in addition to the 7 "required". To be honest, I also don't see where 4.2.1.d is referring to a "procedure" - it simply says "documents" are needed to ensure the effective planning, operation, and control of operations. Various companies may accomplish this is various ways.

Also, the standard doesn't really say 7 procedures are required. It says there are 7 areas where procedures are required. For example (as shown in other threads), corrective and preventive actions may be handled on the same procedure (possibly the same with document and records control).

My company actually uses dozens of procedures (mostly in flowchart format), but others (perhaps small mom and pop shops) could get away with as few a five (if combined as above). It is not the number of procedures that count (no pun intended) but the effectiveness of the system.

Also, like Mr. Scott says, welcome to the cove adzareena03!

 

[db]

thanks. but what do you mean by 10 procedures? is there any black and white proving that there are 10 pre-requisite procedure instead of 7 stated previously?

I used 10 as a figure from the air. The number of necessary procedures will vary from company to company. There are some that can get away with just the 7 mandatory procedures. Others may 10, or 12 or 30. It all depends on what you need to have an effective system.

For example, there is no requirement in the standard for a documented procedure for management review. however, let's say that based on your circumstances, you decide that without a documented procedure, you will not be able to meet the requirements of 5.6. No procedure is required by the standard, but one is needed. The need is mandated by circumstances, not the standard.

Is that clearer?

 

[Sam]

adzareena03,
There are only seven (7) documented procedures required .. period. (See notes to 4.2 for clarification).
The reason being is that you cannot audit procedures based on the process audit criteria. The key words in TS2 is "process defintion", thereby eliminating the need for additional procedures. Even with the 7, the processes are still required to be defined.
The "NEED" may be for additional documents,i.e, work instructions, process definition, but not documented procedures.

IMO develop the seven, then define the balance of your processes in a format that is conducive to your organization.