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The ISO 9001:2008 addendum - What would you like to add or subtract?

The ISO 9001:2008 addendum - What would you like to add or subtract?

  • I wanna add new clause(s) on .......

    Votes: 2 14.3%
  • Subtract clause or sub clause....

    Votes: 5 35.7%
  • I don't know yet

    Votes: 9 64.3%

  • Total voters
    14
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Tym Tucker

#91
Re: Policy setting is way overrated!

...In my estimation, having a quality policy statement does not make top management more accountable and involved with the QMS. It just distract attention from matters of significance.

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Thanks, Sidney. What you say here is the basis for my opinion that QP's should be yanked. The goal of a business is to make money. If a business is pursuing ISO registration, it can reasonably be assumed that they understand how a well organized business system increases their chance of success. I would say that it also stands that anything they would include in a policy - "to provide the highest possible quality of products and services," etc., - is probably part of their overall company culture. I'm fortunate to say that this is true of my organization. We can't help but look at the policy statement on the wall and say "Well, duh!" If this isn't the case in a company, then that indeed tells me that their policy is nothing more than lip service to the standard.

That said, I also should point out that I think broadcasting statements through posters and such throughout the plant that speak to the importance of everyone's contribution and how it affects the success of the company - a passive form of empowerment, if you will - has great value. I simply don't like the idea of these things being "regulated" by a standard. I don't care for one static policy statement being considered the cornerstone of the system. It's the message behind it that counts. I may want to reword the message every six weeks and put up new posters to remind people that the system is alive and dynamic. I don't want to go through the steps of revising, re-auditing, etc. every time. I don't want my Quality Manager spending time training folks how the new statements align with the objectives. It's like telling cheerleaders that they must ensure that their routines align with the goals of the team. How ridiculous! It's about morale and getting buy-in throughout the organization - an understanding that success comes from happy customers and happy customers come from the work they are doing and the way they do it. It's not about pointing to an obtuse object perched high on a pedestal and making sure everyone pays homage. :bonk:

Tym
 
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amanbhai

#92
There is a clause that I have noticed in other standards that could be added in the new standard & that is " Is your organization legally identifiable?
 

Paul Simpson

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#93
There is a clause that I have noticed in other standards that could be added in the new standard & that is " Is your organization legally identifiable?
I know most certification bodies require this of their customers as part of their terms and conditions - what purpose would it have in the standard?
 
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RhoRho

#94
Make the standard more process oriented. Details such as on how many and what processes must be identified and maped out shall be clear. Details on typical performance index (quality objective) and measurement can be more.
And another important thing is make management representative be a more clear and powerful position in organization, or define it directly as COO (Chief Operation Officer). :lol:
Go TS16949-processes maps are more prescriptive.
 
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amanbhai

#95
Re: what would you like to amend/add in ISO 9001:2008

In my opinion , there should be something to be added for Auditing and controlling the Finance process, finance people are always making criticism to the quality system :argue: , they should be invovled in this .



what I think that it should be substracted is the concentration on Analysis of suppliers performance, evaluation and reevaluation of their performance is enough sometimes for small companies , see subclause 8.4 d

I would ask here a question ,why we sometmies find a certified ISO 9001:2000 companies without any kind of credibility ? who is resposible for that ?in our region there is a lot of examples ?
we are expecting from the new standard to help in minimizing such cases

Samer
Do we really need to add accounts in ISO 9001 standard.
Surprisingly, ISO 17020 which calls for independent audited accounts.:confused:
 
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vulcan_alex

#96
How about a real different opinion. I don't want any changes. Why? Because any changes will not improve the quality performance of my organization, and any change will require a lot of non value work to meet them. Let's be clear organizations who want a good quality system really don't need changes to the standard to get one, and those who just want a certificate can simulate a good system well enough to get one!!!
 
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Geoff Withnell

#98
Re: Policy setting is way overrated!

Thanks, Sidney. What you say here is the basis for my opinion that QP's should be yanked. The goal of a business is to make money. If a business is pursuing ISO registration, it can reasonably be assumed that they understand how a well organized business system increases their chance of success. I would say that it also stands that anything they would include in a policy - "to provide the highest possible quality of products and services," etc., - is probably part of their overall company culture. I'm fortunate to say that this is true of my organization. We can't help but look at the policy statement on the wall and say "Well, duh!" If this isn't the case in a company, then that indeed tells me that their policy is nothing more than lip service to the standard.

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Tym
The QP should be part of the culture, but the assessors often want it to be "Motherhood and Apple Pie" instead. An example I can think of is a company I did a lot of business with, because they always got the job I needed done. Their Quality Policy almost kept them from getting registered, although IMHO, it was what made them great. The QP? "We make it fast, cheap, and just good enough!" They were a prototyping house, and specialized in turning around a functional prototype to your needs overnight and inexpensively. It would be a kludge, but it would be functional.


Geoff Withnell
 
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amanbhai

#99
I know most certification bodies require this of their customers as part of their terms and conditions - what purpose would it have in the standard?
Then why other standards requires organizations to be legally identifiable. e.g. ISO 17020?:thanks:
 

Paul Simpson

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Then why other standards requires organizations to be legally identifiable. e.g. ISO 17020?:thanks:
Pretty much because this is a standard written by the accreditation bodies. They have an obsession with trying to think of every eventuality and try to "standardize it out."

Or as I have written elsewhere about ISO 17021 - "A badly written standard developed on the basis of mutual distrust"
 
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