The Naming of Standards - BS EN ISO vs ISO

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orangeisenergy

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What is the difference between a standard with the title "BS EN ISO ######" and just "ISO ######"?
In shopping for standard ISO18113-2:2011 the "BS EN" version is 3x as much as the regular ISO one. I am looking for it in relation to use in the EU, but is the difference significant enough to pay 3x as much? Thanks!
 
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Re: BS EN ISO vs ISO

BS EN ISO: British Standard / European Standard / International Organization for Standardization in another words the British national version of ISO Standards. In the US it would be ASO/ISO Q (document number) with a document starting with AFNOR being French.

The answer to your question is if you have ISO 9001 or ASQ/ISO Q9001 it is the same as the BS EN ISO 9001. Save your money as you are only getting a document with a British accent (local language).
 

Sidney Vianna

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What is the difference between a standard with the title "BS EN ISO ######" and just "ISO ######"?
In shopping for standard ISO18113-2:2011 the "BS EN" version is 3x as much as the regular ISO one. I am looking for it in relation to use in the EU, but is the difference significant enough to pay 3x as much? Thanks!
If you buy this standard from the Institute for Standardization of Serbia, you pay approximately US$20.
 

paulag

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Re: BS EN ISO vs ISO

Hello,

for many standards, EN ISO is not the same as ISO, as the "Z" annexes add specific EU requirements, which you need to comply with for EU conformity assessment. E.g. see ISO vs. EN ISO 13485 or 14971 for medical devices. The third component, like BS for the UK or DIN for Germany, sometimes add national requirements.
 
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The 2 largest international standards organisations are IEC (International Electrotechnical Commission) and ISO (International Standards Organisation).

They publish international standards. In the EU these are then ratified by organisations such as CEN (European Committee for Standardization). This creates the EN standard (Europaische Norm). In most cases the only difference is the addition of the Z annexes.

Under EU law all member states have to adopt the EN standard, without any modification. These are published by the national standards bodies, so in the UK the BSi publish BS EN standards. You can become a 'member' of BSi to get standards for a reduced price.

But, as Sidney has identified, there are other outlets that offer reduced prices. I have used Standards Estonia often. These states make their standards available at reduced cost so as to benefit their local industry, but as all national versions of EN standards are identical, it works for me to!
 

Ramanaik

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please let me known, are EN ISO and DIN EN ISO or ILNAS EN ISO standards are same, because we listed out the Harmonized standards as a EN ISO and need to comply with that, but when trying to buy the same, we are not getting a quote, what exactly we required. instead, we are getting a quote in the name of DIN EN ISO or ILNAS EN ISO.

please suggest

Thanks in advance
 

Thee Bouyyy

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@Ramanaik,

DIN - largely being replaced by international and European standards. DIN standards are now only issued for products that have no ISO or EN standards.

ISO - International standards are intended to standardise technical rules worldwide, thus simplifying the exchange of goods and removing trade barriers.

EN - European standards (EN) is to harmonise technical rules and laws within the single European market. As far as possible, existing ISO standards must generally be adopted as EN standards in unaltered form.

The difference between ISO and EN standards is that, following the decision of the European Council, EN standards must be adopted and implemented immediately and without any changes as national standards in the member states, and, at the same time, the corresponding national standards must be withdrawn.

ILNAS - competency network - French version of standard.

In sort, all are the same.
 

paulag

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Not always the same - as mentioned earlier, some ISO standards, eg. quality management and risk management for medical devices, have specific European content added (annex Z). So, if you need CE certification of a medical device, better comply with EN ISO 13485 and 14971. But yes, in most cases, ISO, EN ISO and DIN EN ISO are identical.
 

paulag

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@Ramanaik,

DIN - largely being replaced by international and European standards. DIN standards are now only issued for products that have no ISO or EN standards.

ISO - International standards are intended to standardise technical rules worldwide, thus simplifying the exchange of goods and removing trade barriers.

EN - European standards (EN) is to harmonise technical rules and laws within the single European market. As far as possible, existing ISO standards must generally be adopted as EN standards in unaltered form.

The difference between ISO and EN standards is that, following the decision of the European Council, EN standards must be adopted and implemented immediately and without any changes as national standards in the member states, and, at the same time, the corresponding national standards must be withdrawn.

ILNAS - competency network - French version of standard.

In sort, all are the same.
please let me known, are EN ISO and DIN EN ISO or ILNAS EN ISO standards are same, because we listed out the Harmonized standards as a EN ISO and need to comply with that, but when trying to buy the same, we are not getting a quote, what exactly we required. instead, we are getting a quote in the name of DIN EN ISO or ILNAS EN ISO.

please suggest

Thanks in advance
If. let's say, you need the english version of an EN ISO standard, you can buy an english version of whichever national standard has the most convenient price for you - BS EN ISO, DIN EN ISO, etc.
If you need the standard in french, german or other language, except english, you will have to buy it from the respective national standards supplier.
 
#10
Usually previews of the standards are available on the seller's sites.
You can check, if there is something like this phrase in the document needed:
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Also you can look through the document "Using and referencing ISO and IEC standards to support public policy " (google it, I can't post the link)
There are many examples of national adoptions for the standards:
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