The Next version of ISO 9001 (2008 version) - Any news?

[BradM]

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Road show? Do you think that would be better than a webinar? All of us in the comfort of our own environments?

Well... yes... OK. You caught me; a big difference the W makes, as opposed to an S

Although, it's hard to argue with a professional in a webinar.

 

[Sidney Vianna]

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Well... yes... OK. You caught me; a big difference the W makes, as opposed to an S

Golly. I would not know what a Sebinar is .

 

[SteelMaiden]

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Golly. I would not know what a Sebinar is .

it's the class-like information sharing thing you go to when you have a really bad cold: sebinar.

 

[JaneB]

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I just feel the need to point out misinformation

Good on you, Sidney as our saying down here goes. I'm glad that you do, and strongly appreciate it whenever you bob up with such corrections and matters of fact.

I find it difficult to understand why people continue to use or rely on secondary sources ('a consultant said', 'I have been told that' - even 'my auditor said') let alone pass such hearsay on without checking out the official source properly. One would like to think that as quality professionals, we'd do a bit better.

There are a lot of things that are not transparent about ISO 9001. The target release date for the upcoming 4th edition is not one of them.

Indeed.

 

[SteelMaiden]

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Jane, for the most part I agree with you, all except the part about the auditor. We should be able to rely on information from our auditors (I am making a leap here by assuming you meant auditors from our registrar, even though you did not specifically say what auditor) And before anyone puts words in my mouth, no, I do not mean that we should blindly accept every nonconformance, OFI, or other comment made from an auditor. I am only talking about most registrars will attempt to share the proper information about upcoming events to the best of their knowledge with their clients. (at least the good ones)

Having been in the game for awhile, it's a long way to Oct., the 4th quarter, or whatever dates are being bandied about. I'm not going to get my panties in a wad right now, lord knows that ISO has gone way beyond their ETA before. It's no big deal, it will happen when it happens, no sooner.

 

[Colin]

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I agree, you should expect your auditor to be properly informed about the changes. Sadly, this did not always happen last time and in fact, 1 of the big CB's in the UK did not even train all of its auditors in auditing to the 2000 version until way after it was issued.

 

[AndyN]

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I agree, you should expect your auditor to be properly informed about the changes. Sadly, this did not always happen last time and in fact, 1 of the big CB's in the UK did not even train all of its auditors in auditing to the 2000 version until way after it was issued.

Indeed, Colin. Furthermore, many of my past clients were talking of being told (by their CB auditor) to simply 'renumber the elements of your quality manual and add a top level flowchart' -to comply with the (then new) 2000 version!

And for this, we were allowed a three year transision period...........

If the CB has a robust program of communication of such issues, then it might be reasonable to 'trust' the information, but many don't go to the expense of such communications - happily, the CB I work for has a robust method for dealing with this (doesn't it Colin?)

 

[SteelMaiden]

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happily, the CB I work for has a robust method for dealing with this (doesn't it Colin?)

Good for you guys, I truly believe that the registrar/client relationship should be more of a partnership than a police state. Yes, they need to make sure I am aware of what we are doing wrong, but they also need to make sure I am aware of what is happening so I can make it right before it goes wrong.

 

[Colin]

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Quite right SteelMaiden, if we can't add value by keeping clients up to date on changes to the standard then we are in a bad way. It only changes every 6-7 years anyway.

Andy, yes we put a lot of work in last time because of the magnitude of the changes. Because I am no longer a full time employee I cannot be sure what is likely to happen this time but I do know that they have been doing free roadshow events to advise clients of the likely changes and their impacts.

 

[JaneB]

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We should be able to rely on information from our auditors (I am making a leap here by assuming you meant auditors from our registrar, even though you did not specifically say what auditor)

Good point, SteelMaiden. Yes, one ought to be able to rely on auditors from certifiers (sorry for not being specific), I do agree. Unfortunately, one cannot always - I come across many in my consulting practice, and there are some less than good ones around.

I remain in agreement with you and Colpart - one ought to be able to rely on them to know such things and to provide accurate information to their clients. I guess some influencing factors include the strength of the certifiers' internals systems, including CPD (continuing professional development) and internal communications and also presumably, the auditors themselves being professional enough to remain informed.

We have many great examples in the Cove of professional auditors from good certifiers - I hope it sets some kind of benchmark and communicates to Cove users how things ought to be. IMO, it's also one of the many examples of the difference in value between the professional certifiers of good standing and the poor quality, El Cheapo types. Because alas they are around too, eg:

many of my past clients were talking of being told (by their CB auditor) to simply 'renumber the elements of your quality manual and add a top level flowchart' -to comply with the (then new) 2000 version!

Yikes!

It's no big deal, it will happen when it happens, no sooner.

Oh, true.

And no I'm not getting my knickers in a knot over the timeline either. (Which I think is the British/Oz equivalent of your phrase )

Good for you guys, I truly believe that the registrar/client relationship should be more of a partnership than a police state. Yes, they need to make sure I am aware of what we are doing wrong, but they also need to make sure I am aware of what is happening so I can make it right before it goes wrong.

Sums it up beautifully. I'm 100% with you there. Partner and work with, don't coerce or dictate.