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The Next version of ISO 9001 (2008 version) - Any news?

Paul Simpson

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Re: The Next version of ISO 9001 - Any news?

Ajit Basrur said:
The change involves too much of activities for the certified organizations right from rewritting the Quality Manual and many documents (as applicable). Lof of manhours get wasted in trivial changes and lnot eco friendly at all as lotsa papers will be wasted.

I feel changing just for the sake for change is not good and the revision could have been deferred.

Is my thinking correct ? :rolleyes:
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What is to change? If the requirements are unchanged then there is not need to change your system documents - unless you want to do a "find and replace" on 2000 to 2008. :lol:
 
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Ajit Basrur

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Re: The Next version of ISO 9001 - Any news?

Paul Simpson said:
What is to change? If the requirements are unchanged then there is not need to change your system documents - unless you want to do a "find and replace" on 2000 to 2008. :lol:
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To change from 2000 to 2008 is a change also - feel its a wasteful exercise. :)
 
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howste

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Re: The Next version of ISO 9001 - Any news?

In quality manuals I always avoid reference to revisions of procedures referenced because they are subject to change and I know I would have to update the references if any procedure changed.

Having said that, why would there be reference to the revision of ISO 9001 in the manual to begin with? If documentation refers to a revision of any document the writer has set the organization up for the "wasteful exercise" that you mention.
 
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Helmut Jilling

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Re: The Next version of ISO 9001 - Any news?

Ajit Basrur said:
The statement said -


The proposed ISO 9001:2008 does not introduce additional requirements compared to the last edition in 2000 and does not change the intent of ISO 9001:2000.
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If this was the case, why change ?

The change involves too much of activities for the certified organizations right from rewritting the Quality Manual and many documents (as applicable). Lof of manhours get wasted in trivial changes and lnot eco friendly at all as lotsa papers will be wasted.

I feel changing just for the sake for change is not good and the revision could have been deferred.

Is my thinking correct ? :rolleyes:
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The change is because you are registered to ISO 9001:2000. In the future, you will be registered to ISO 9001:2008. It would save a lot of paperwork if the certificates were not updated until the recert auidts, bt not likely.

If there are no new requirements, it should require very few changes in your QMS. Some of the clarifications might even benefit you, and you may choose to adjust the language in some of your documents.
 
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JaneB

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Re: The Next version of ISO 9001 - Any news?

Helmut Jilling said:
Some of the clarifications might even benefit you
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I think the clarifications are improvements - I'm particularly looking forward to being able to quote the bit about requirements for more than one clause can be met by a single procedure, to stop that nitpickery which the odd errant auditor tries to bring in!

I do think there's benefit in reviewing documents at defined intervals - one doesn't necessarily make major changes every time. And yes, if one wants to refer to ISO 9001, one can just refer to it or 'the current version of 9001' rather than the specific issue.

That said, I could happily list a number of things that I would have liked in there, as so many of us have or can, but then, they didn't ask me for my opinion ;)
 
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ISO kind of did ask for your opinion. XX,XXX coments were received. I beleive this survey was available in 2004. Here is the text from and ISO document describing the world wide survey that was available on the ISO website.

ISO 9000 Series of Standards – Year 2000 Editions
Survey of user feedback​

The International Organization for Standardization's (ISO) Technical Committee no. 176, Sub-committee 2 (ISO/TC 176/SC 2) Quality Systems is carrying out a survey of user experience with the year 2000 editions of the ISO 9000 series of standards.

A survey questionnaire has been designed to ascertain the views of users of ISO 9001:2000 and ISO 9004:2000 in relation to the standards, their suitability and their application.

Your assistance in this project, by informing your members and associates about the survey, will be of great value in helping us. This should lead to improvement in these standards, or the production of relevant supporting documentation to assist users in understanding and implementing them.
We have tried to make the survey as easy as possible for respondents to complete. We do not expect it to take more than about 15 minutes to complete.
Persons wishing to participate in the survey may do so by clicking on this link: http://isotc.iso.ch/webquest/tc176/index.html

The survey is to be completed on line. Any person who has some knowledge or experience of the standards may participate. There is no limit to the number of persons who may respond in any one organization.

The results of the survey will be made available as widely as possible, e.g. through the ISO/TC 176/SC 2 web site at www.bsi.org.uk/ios-tc176-sc2.

Thank you for your co-operation.


In addition, here is some text from the most recent international meeting for ISO/TC 176 in Novi Sad, Serbia, May 2008. This text is related to "transitioning" to ISO 9001:2008. The text is not conclusive but it gives me the feeling that the transition from 9001:2000 to 9001:2008, for organizations already registered, will happen during surveillance audits and will be not be a big deal.

Resolution 7E (2008) – ISO 9001:2008 Amendment Impact
Noting that ISO 9001:2008 does not provide new requirements, ISO/TC 176 resolves that
“ISO 9001:2008 has been developed in order to introduce clarifications to the existing
requirements of ISO 9001:2000 and changes that are intended to improve compatibility with
ISO 14001:2004. ISO 9001:2008 does not introduce additional requirements nor does it
change the intent of the ISO 9001:2000 standard.

Certification to ISO 9001:2008 is not an “upgrade”, and organizations that are certified to
ISO 9001:2000 should be afforded the same status as those who have already received a
new certificate to ISO 9001:2008.”
 
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Crusader

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Re: The Next version of ISO 9001 - Any news?

Peters said:
And we have FDIS level.
ISO/FDIS 9001 Stage 50.00 - FDIS registered for formal approval (status date: 2008-06-23)
No offer to buy it :cool:
http://www.iso.org/iso/iso_catalogu...gue_tc_browse.htm?commid=53896&development=on
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Yeah, I'd sure like to get my hands on that FDIS now. I have my renewal ISO 9001:2000 audit in Sept (start of renewal) and Oct (end renewal Oct 3rd) and I would like to renew and certify to the new standard. Not sure that is possible now.

Any insight? Anyone?
 
Sidney Vianna

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Re: The Next version of ISO 9001 - Any news?

Crusader said:
Not sure that is possible now.

Any insight? Anyone?
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You can not be certified to a standard that has not been released yet. But......nothing prevents you to reach an agreement with your CB that they could audit you against the FDIS document, re-certify you to the 2000 Edition, and as soon as the IS gets formally released, and verified that the IS has no significant changes compared to the FDIS, they could issue you an ISO 9001:2008 certificate on 2008-11-01.

I know pundits will say you will have to wait until the first surveillance audit, after the 4th edition of ISO 9001 gets released, but I don't see why my proposed suggestion above could not be effected.
 
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