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The Next version of ISO 9001 (2008 version) - Any news?

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JoeQNovice said:
If I do not change "statutory requirements" to "statutory and regulatory requirements" as it is specified in ISO 9001:2008; Or, if I fail to re-write section 4.2.3 to conform with 9001:2008 wording - can I be written-up for nonconforming documentation? I mean, they are saying the requirements haven't changed and are practices conform with the requirements - anyone?:confused:
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There is no requirement that you have to regurgitate each and every requirement of the standard. What a waste that would be.
When ISO, IAF and even ANAB state that the revised document contains no new requirements, people should take that at face value and relax. If you believe that an auditor would be that picky, there is something really wrong in that relationship.
 
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We were told today that the changes are "clarifications" only. Something about the old std not translating well for other languages, hence the clarification changes.
 
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NSAI have this on their website.


The amendment has a very small impact on most users as, besides editorial changes, there are three areas to look at –
  • Outsourcing New notes help define outsourced processes and controls. Organisations should check that the have all their outsourced processes identified and that suitable controls are in place to support quality.
  • Management Representative The Management Representative now has to be a member of the organisation’s management. This means that the person has to be employed by the organisation (could be on contract), has to have the required authority and has to be shown on the organisation chart.
  • Customer Supplied Product This now includes personal data. If your organisation holds information such as credit card numbers or addresses, it now has to demonstrate that suitable data protection protocols are in place.
I had completely missed the significance of the reference to personal data in relation to customer supplied product. Some organisations may find themselves facing questions from auditors which they would hav regarded previously as outside the scope of ISO 9001.
 
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Gofar said:
NSAI have this on their website.
  • Management Representative The Management Representative now has to be a member of the organisation’s management. This means that the person has to be employed by the organisation (could be on contract), has to have the required authority and has to be shown on the organisation chart.
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How is that different from the current document, which stipulates:
Top management shall appoint a member of management...
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There is NO change. The piece about having to be shown in the organizational chart is debatable, too.
 
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Sidney Vianna said:
How is that different from the current document, which stipulates:There is NO change. The piece about having to be shown in the organizational chart is debatable, too.
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Yes--it's always been open to circular definition, and still is. If a CEO creates a policy that says, "The MR is, by definition, a member of management," it can be anyone so long as the responsibility/authority requirements are met.
 
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Sidney Vianna said:
How is that different from the current document, which stipulates:There is NO change. The piece about having to be shown in the organizational chart is debatable, too.
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I agree. I thought that, as I was copying a bit of information, I might as well copy the whole piece.

My point related to the third paragraph on personal data.
My apologies if its been discussed here before but theres a lot of info to get through on this site and I haven't spotted it.
 
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Gofar said:
I agree. I thought that, as I was copying a bit of information, I might as well copy the whole piece.

My point related to the third paragraph on personal data.
My apologies if its been discussed here before but theres a lot of info to get through on this site and I haven't spotted it.
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I am not aware of a previous discussion on personal property.

I can understand why personal property would fall under Customer Furnished. I think that could be a little out of scope. But in my opinion, the intent is to protect Customer Information (intellectual property).
 
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Coury Ferguson said:
I am not aware of a previous discussion on personal property.

I can understand why personal property would fall under Customer Furnished. I think that could be a little out of scope. But in my opinion, the intent is to protect Customer Information (intellectual property).
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Taken from the DIS, so not the latest document:

NOTE Customer property can include intellectual property and personal data.

It is more than just intellectual property.
 
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