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Re: The Next version of ISO 9001 - Any news?
ISO 9001 is a controlled document in my system and its status will be correctly identified. It just won't be the latest edition. If other people in the organization used it, it could be a concern but I'm the only one who ever needs to.
What does it say about my company?
We're a bunch of cheapskates, perhaps.
Or just possibly we're doing our best to avoid waste and keeping our unnecessary costs down for our customer's benefit. We spend money when we can demonstrate a clear need and nobody in this organization would dare question my commitment.
Its not the amount of money I object to, its spending anything at all on this change and I'm not going to a lot of trouble, I'm not doing anything at all other than maintaining an awareness of the situation.
I don't know what the reaction of our audit body will be (which is why I am genuinely interested in your opinion), I'll find out at the next visit in mid-December.
In response to Jim's question. In my 3rd party auditing days, I did, on occasions, ask to see their copy of ISO 9001 when I was auditing the document control activity. It certainly wasn't a question that came up every visit.
ISO 9001 is a controlled document in my system and its status will be correctly identified. It just won't be the latest edition. If other people in the organization used it, it could be a concern but I'm the only one who ever needs to.
What does it say about my company?
We're a bunch of cheapskates, perhaps.
Or just possibly we're doing our best to avoid waste and keeping our unnecessary costs down for our customer's benefit. We spend money when we can demonstrate a clear need and nobody in this organization would dare question my commitment.
Its not the amount of money I object to, its spending anything at all on this change and I'm not going to a lot of trouble, I'm not doing anything at all other than maintaining an awareness of the situation.
I don't know what the reaction of our audit body will be (which is why I am genuinely interested in your opinion), I'll find out at the next visit in mid-December.
In response to Jim's question. In my 3rd party auditing days, I did, on occasions, ask to see their copy of ISO 9001 when I was auditing the document control activity. It certainly wasn't a question that came up every visit.
but I'm hearing the same thing from everyone here. We are the customers of this committee. We are users of this standard. Now the same old committee members will push this out with no value add, then tour the consulting circuit or write a book and make a bundle. I had to co-present with a couple of these guys, and I was quite frankly embarrassed (Mark censor me if you must but it's the truth!). TC 176 should do a better job of screening their committee members.
). I for one have seen some committee representatives who I respect and have a lot of time for. ISO is a consensus process. We don't agree with all the decisions but abide by them.
