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The Next version of ISO 9001 (2008 version) - Any news?

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Desara01

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Do you normally ask to see the auditee's copy of the standard? I don't want to go off on a tangent here because there's there's another discussion thread dedicated to the topic, but I'm curious.
I would hope credible registrars will tell their clients no new training is required and provide their clients with the verbiage changes in an advisory. IMHO, since there are NO SUBSTANTIAL CHANGES, why would you ding a company for this? At the end of the day, I expect VALUE from my registrar,. and if this is value, I'd be taking my business elsewhere. Don't tell me to waste money on a non-value added document just to prop up ECO 176. Arghhh - sorry to vent. Sometimes I miss the nicotine more than others. Reaching for a straw to chew on....Cheers
 
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Paul Simpson

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My argument is you are going to a lot of trouble to save $40. What are you communicating to your management and personnel about your "commitment" toward ISO and continual improvement. What are you inferring as to the value and importance of it? How do you think new people and new auditors will feel about a company too cheap to drop $40?
I'm sure I've written about this before but I have to say I believe Tyker is not talking about the actual practice but the principle. I'm sure he will correct me if I'm wrong. :D

The idea is not that anyone currently certified to 9k is not committed to the requirements - they have demonstrated that over the years - including having purchased a copy of the standard in the build up to the first system implementation / certification audit. The question is whether they should be required (please excuse the shouting) to spend more money for an amendment.

I have said elsewhere that I wouldn't insist on a copy of the 9k2008 standard being held. Actually there is nothing that says that a certified organization should hold a copy of the standard at all - unless it forms part of contractual terms.
 

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To buy or not to buy?

The question is whether they should be required (please excuse the shouting) to spend more money for an amendment.

I have said elsewhere that I wouldn't insist on a copy of the 9k2008 standard being held.
You may not, but others will insist on it.

From this link, you read:
Customers will need the revised version of ISO 9001 in order to keep their certificates up to date.
I don't understand how a Standards Developing Body gets involved with Conformity Assessment policies....;)
 
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You may not, but others will insist on it.

I don't understand how a Standards Developing Body gets involved with Conformity Assessment policies....;)
I'll pass the link to this thread to a contact - don't get me started on origins, though. I mean what has ship classification got to do with management systems? :D
 

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I mean what has ship classification got to do with management systems? :D
Rule development for ship classification is a form of standardization.And a very successful one, by the way. We are approaching 200 years of the classification concept. But the classification folks don't tell their customers they must PURCHASE a copy of ISO 9001:2008 in order to keep their certs valid with the Certification Body side of the organization.

This is just to show that Standard Developers like to encroach on conformity assessment activities, because a standard which does not have a certification scheme associated with it, is destined to oblivion....such as ISO 9004, 10001, 10002, 10003, and all the others that comprise the documents under TC 176.
 

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Stop the presses!!!!

http://www.iso.org/iso/pressrelease.htm?refid=Ref1180

ISO today published ISO 9001:2008, the latest edition of the International Standard used by organizations in 175 countries as the framework for their quality management systems (QMS).
ISO 9001:2008, Quality management system – Requirements, is the fourth edition of the standard first published in 1987 and which has become the global benchmark for providing assurance about the ability to satisfy quality requirements and to enhance customer satisfaction in supplier-customer relationships.
ISO 9001:2008 contains no new requirements compared to the 2000 edition, which it replaces. It provides clarifications to the existing requirements of ISO 9001:2000 based on eight years’ experience of implementing the standard worldwide and introduces changes intended to improve consistency with the environmental management system standard, ISO 14001:2004.
All ISO standards – currently more than 17 400 – are periodically reviewed. Several factors combine to render a standard out of date, such as technological evolution, new methods and materials, new quality and safety requirements, or questions of interpretation and application. To take account of such factors and to ensure that ISO standards are maintained at the state of the art, ISO has a rule requiring them to be periodically reviewed and a decision taken to confirm, withdraw or revise the documents.
ISO/TC 176, which is responsible for the ISO 9000 family, unites expertise from 80 participating countries and 19 international or regional organizations, plus other technical committees. The review of ISO 9001 resulting in the 2008 edition was carried out by subcommittee SC 2 of ISO/TC 176.
This review has benefited from a number of inputs, including the following: a justification study against the criteria of ISO Guide 72:2001, Guidelines for the justification and development of management system standards; feedback from the ISO/TC 176 interpretations process; a two-year systematic review of ISO 9001:2000 within ISO/TC 176/SC2; a worldwide user survey carried out by ISO/TC 176/SC 2, and further data from national surveys.
ISO Secretary-General Alan Bryden commented: “The revised ISO 9001 results from a structured process giving weight to the needs of users and to the likely impacts and benefits of the revisions. ISO 9001:2008 is therefore the outcome of a rigorous examination confirming its fitness for use as the international benchmark for quality management.”
ISO/TC 176/SC 2 has also developed an introduction and support package of documents explaining what the differences are between ISO 9001:2008 and the year 2000 version, why and what they mean for users. These documents are available on the ISO Web site.
Although certification of conformity to ISO 9001 is not a requirement of the standard, it is frequently used in both public and private sectors to increase confidence in the products and services provided by certified organizations, between partners in business-to-business relations, in the selection of suppliers in supply chains and in the right to tender for procurement contracts. Up to the end of December 2007, at least 951 486 ISO 9001:2000 certificates had been issued in 175 countries and economies.
ISO (which does not itself carry out certification) and the International Accreditation Forum (IAF) have agreed on an implementation plan to ensure a smooth transition of accredited certification to ISO 9001:2008. The details of the plan are given in a joint communiqué by the two organizations which is available on the ISO Web site.
ISO 9001:2008, Quality management system – Requirements, costs 114 Swiss francs and is available from ISO national member institutes (see the complete list with contact details) and from ISO Central Secretariat through the ISO Store or by contacting the Marketing & Communication department (see right-hand column).
 
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