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The Next version of ISO 9001 (2008 version) - Any news?

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Sidney Vianna said:
I don't understand how a Standards Developing Body gets involved with Conformity Assessment policies....;)
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Nicely dodged, Sidney. There is a general point here. Many CBs originate from standards bodies, some from ship classification, some trade associations others purely commercial bodies. Two questions:
  1. Does it matter?
  2. Is any one route better than another?

Sidney Vianna said:
Rule development for ship classification is a form of standardization.And a very successful one, by the way. We are approaching 200 years of the classification concept. But the classification folks don't tell their customers they must PURCHASE a copy of ISO 9001:2008 in order to keep their certs valid with the Certification Body side of the organization.
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So what are DnV telling their certification customers? Is it material that there are 'Chinese walls' between the two parts of the business?

Sidney Vianna said:
This is just to show that Standard Developers like to encroach on conformity assessment activities ....
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Everyone who can wants to have their fingers in any pies where they feel they can get some benefit from influencing an outcome - standardization is not different - you have users, certifiers, standardizers, industry bodies and accreditors all trying to influence what goes in a particular standard and then trying to control how it is used. There are even national representatives out there who try to block international standardization efforts because they don't want it. My lips are sealed! :lol:

Plus ca change ...
Sidney Vianna said:
... because a standard which does not have a certification scheme associated with it, is destined to oblivion....such as ISO 9004, 10001, 10002, 10003, and all the others that comprise the documents under TC 176.
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Again this has always been the case. Not all standards will directly recoup their development costs in standard sales.

The whole idea of standardization is to satisfy an 'industry' need in order to reduce costs going forward as people manufacture, operate to standards.

Now I'm not going to speak for the supporting guidance to 9001 like the ones you mentioned (that's another thread) but, even if they don't sell well there is an argument that they provide a lot of value.
 
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Re: The Next version of ISO 9001 - Any news?

If ship classification is such a wonderful experience in standardization, why do we have so many "standards" for shipbuilding, and not a one of them will recognize the others?:notme:

oops, sorry, one of my pet peeves, especially since one of the big names always gives us the same line..."our office here in the US is very understaffed, we don't know when we would be able to get back to you." Finally the customer asking us for that certification (maybe thinking that we were blowing smoke up their skirt?) called and asked, they got the same non-response. They waived the requirement in lieu of the shipbuilding certification we do have.
 
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SteelMaiden said:
If ship classification is such a wonderful experience in standardization, why do we have so many "standards" for shipbuilding, and not a one of them will recognize the others?
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There is hope...
SteelMaiden said:
especially since one of the big names always gives us the same line..."our office here in the US is very understaffed, we don't know when we would be able to get back to you." Finally the customer asking us for that certification (maybe thinking that we were blowing smoke up their skirt?) called and asked, they got the same non-response. They waived the requirement in lieu of the shipbuilding certification we do have.
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:mg: I wonder what would happen if that piece of information is brought up to the classification society headquarters....After all, most of the class societies are ISO 9001 certified. If I am not mistaken, it is a requirement to be a member of IACS.
 
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What does the ISO 9000 FAQ say?

The ISO 9000 FAQ question # 67
67. My organisation fulfils the ISO 9001:2000 requirements. What do I need to do?

An organization who’s QMS fulfils the requirements of ISO 9001:2000 should check that they are following the clarifications introduced in the amended standard ISO 9001:2008.

ISO 9001:2008 has been developed in order to introduce clarifications to the existing requirements of ISO 9001:2000. It does not introduce additional requirements nor does it change the intent of the ISO 9001:2000 standard.
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So, as long as an organization has a credible way to verify they are "following clarifications" :confused: introduced, they are covered....They don't need a copy of ISO 9001:2008. That is what ISO says....;)
 
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Well, Sydney, I think that it would be a great thing if all the various shipbuilding certifications were accepted across the board. Just think what it would be like if there were a different ISO 9001 certification for each country.:mg: I can live with having stamps from various bodies, but the whole shipbuilding certification scheme....oh, wait, does scheme say it all?:notme:

Anyway, we've taken this off topic. Hopefully I'll be able to send a PO/check in next Monday for my 9001-2008.
 
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tyker said:
In this case I'm going to be unreasonable.

Anyway, BSI charges £70 (US$110) for the present version and I doubt if the price will go down.
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I hope nobody was misled by this post.
BSI has announced the price of the new version will be £80 (= US $120).

Thats inflation for you.:mg:
 
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tyker said:
I hope nobody was misled by this post.
BSI has announced the price of the new version will be £80 (= US $120).

Thats inflation for you.:mg:
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ASQ sent an announcement that they are charging $70 US for an electronic copy. The paper copy may be less, I did not see a price. The old one was $40.
 
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