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The Next version of ISO 9001 (2008 version) - Any news?

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Bear41 said:
As a member of the US TAG, I find this discussion to be very amusing.
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Welcome aboard, Bear41. Glad you find us so amusing.
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Where do some of you get your information?
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Here, mainly.

We rely on the quality of the posts and jump on those that give inaccurate information.

Bear41 said:
ISO 9000:2005 has already been released.

ISO 9001:2009 will be revised to include clarifications ONLY -- mainly from the already published interpretations. This standard is still at the CD stage, so it's a little early for webinars.
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Why not start early on? As far as I am concerned the earlier we, as consultants, auditors, implementers, get to understand any implications the better so as not to be caught by surprise. Mostly we get information through a forum like this but if the kind contributers point at webinars they are holding then I am grateful.

Bear41 said:
ISO 9004:200X is being completely re-written. Lord knows when there will be international agreement on it. In February, the US TAG approved a version drafted by Jack West and myself. This will be submitted to SG 2 of T/C 176.
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Perhaps you can add some real value to your contribution by posting what "You and Jack" think ISO 9004 should be.

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All but 1 or 2 CBs do not participate on the TAG, so any information from a CB auditor should be taken with a grain of salt.
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Many CBs are active through their standards committees. I take your point about some CB auditors but some others are quite knowledgeable (and amusing!).
 
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Some people are so easily amused.

I'm sure we all appreciate Bear41 letting us know that ISO 9000 was reissued a couple of years ago. I must get round to buying a copy some year.

Most of us are concerned about 9001 which will have knock on effects on TS16949 and others.
This thread is mainly about the 2009 revisions. I've expressed concern elsewhere on this forum that the revisions to the standard seem to be more of a money grabbing exercise by the standards bodies than a value adding exercise for their customers. Perhaps Bear41 could share with us the benefits perceived by the authors which would justify relieving us of our hard earned £ $ etc for the correction of the ambiguities created in 2000. If the changes really are so trivial, will they be published as a free of charge correction or amendment?
 
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Bear41 said:
ISO 9001:2009 will be revised to include clarifications ONLY -- mainly from the already published interpretations. This standard is still at the CD stage, so it's a little early for webinars.
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When I start my webinar, I will let people know that some protest it:tg: . As some have already asked. The Design Specification (which I posted here at the Cove) for the ISO 9001:20089 calls for clarifications only. So, why is it that it takes so many TC and TAG meetings to reach consensus on minor clarifications? Further, at the second to the last meeting in Ireland, the French and New Zealand delegation made a point that, following the ISO TC 176 pace, we would have to wait until 2020 to see (possibly) real changes to the ISO 9001 document. In other words, the Standard would have been "untouched" for 2 decades. Can you inform us what was decided in the Busan meeting about that motion?

And, please, do keep us informed. That is the spirit of this Forum. I am glad you found it.
 
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Hello Bear41:

Do you tell your customers that their converstations are "amusing?" Please clarify what is amusing so I can be amused too.

The users of management system standards (Cove members included) are customers of the TAG. In this forum, you are writing to your customers.

If users of management system standards are mis-informed, then I assume that you are concerned about the ISO/TAG methods for supporting awareness and competency of the users. Or is it a problem with the users and not the process of providing information?

Is it wrong for users of quality management systems to learn about the process and content of a standard change? If so, why did the ASQ / US Standards Group post the CD of 9001 to the public? Do you think the general public should not be aware of potential clarifications to 9001?

How does your posting support the Principles of Consensus that the US TAG is expected to follow?

Thank you,

Dirk
 
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Sidney Vianna said:
Can you inform us what was decided in the Busan meeting about that motion?
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The answer to my question is available in the attached document. That means, unless there is a change in the way the TC 176 operates, after the 2009 issuance of the ISO 9001 amendment, the TC 176 will start deliberating on the fifth edition of ISO 9001 around 2014. So, it could be 2020 before we see an ISO 9001 with changes compared to the 2000 Edition. I am not saying it is good or bad. Just a statement of a fact.

The TC 176 Strategic Plan 2010 Horizon document can be downloaded.
 

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That’s precisely what I said today at the office. As ISO 9001:2009 is going to be almost like 2K version, we are not going to have to study any new version of ISO 9001...
That’s going to be younger people job...:whip:
 
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I removed my posting.
 
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Any news??
Of course :cool:
Today we have one new information from ISO
Current status of new version of ISO 9001 - CD approved for registration as DIS (stage date: 2007-06-15, publication target date: 2008-10-31)
 
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Peters said:
Any news??
Of course :cool:
Today we have one new information from ISO
Current status of new version of ISO 9001 - CD approved for registration as DIS (stage date: 2007-06-15, publication target date: 2008-10-31)
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:confused:Thanks for the news, but do you have a source for it? My understanding is that TC 176 was deliberating on CD2, not the DIS version. Also, the 2008 publication target conflicts with previous announcements that it would not be until 2009 for the release of ISO 9001 fourth Edition. I did not see anything in the ISO nor the TC176 websites.
 
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