Thoughts on managing ISO 9001, 13485, IATF 16949 and 17025

[John Broomfield]

techlady,

Respecting your qualification, please grade our posts against what you were taught on a new thread.

Doing this we will see if it’s the academics or practitioners who need improvement.

Many thanks,

John

 

[Sidney Vianna]

Since the basis of these standards is ISO9001 the system can be integrated. So why can't the registrar audit the IMS with different auditors for the specified disciplines, one auditor for ISO 14001 and one auditor for ISO/IATF? I need some understanding....please help

There should be no objections from a Registrar to audit subsets of an organization business management system. Some of the concerns and protocols are described in the IAF MD 11 document. So, if the registrar says no, you should ask WHERE is THE SHALL that prohibits them from doing what is the right thing.

Obviously the IATF 16949 is not an ISO standard and there are very prescriptive requirements for the planning, performance and reporting audits to that standard. But any CB that blatantly refuses from auditing an Integrated Management System should be NAMED AND SHAMED for a huge disservice to Business and Society at large; especially when we know that ISO MSS's all share a requirement that the requirements in the standard should be embedded in the organization's business processes.

Hi Sidney,
Just sayin, I got these 2 before I got my BBA both are in Quality Systems Technology, There are some programs out there, my BBA major studis were in Quality Management Systems.

I explicitly stated a MBA syllabus. I repeat: I have never seen a well recognized MBA program that has a quality management component in their syllabus. How many CQO's exist in the business world? Just to show that, in my opinion, these are just indicators of how low quality management is perceived in the business world.

 

[Big Jim]

California State University Dominguez Hills has several degree programs for quality management and quality assurance for both BS and MS degrees. Agreed, that isn't an MBA, but there would be nothing to keep an MBA student (which they also offer) from taking some of those classes if they have the interest. I'm not aware of another school that provides such a curriculum. Not a big name school but part of the California State University system. I have run across graduates and they were a pleasure to work with.

 

[Sidney Vianna]

I am very familiar with the CSDH program. I had the honor of being a member of the Advisory Board, under Mr. Bill Trappen’s leadership, for a couple of years.