Training Needs Assessment including Orientation Training

barb butrym

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Training needs assessment etc

Hi....a request for input, if you will....

I have been asked to do a paper/presentation on training stuff (1-2 hours)...very non specific I took it one step further and deceided that 98% of companies do lip service to the training element, when it comes to identifying the training need, and when it comes to measuring effective training programs. Everyone does some stuff, all document what they think they have to, just for the sake of doing it to satisfy the standard...most of those will give a meaningless test to prove the training was effective, if they do anything. Everyone ( i.e. auditor) just ignores it.......but they can't anymore. It is a lazy auditors favorite element.

Its my plan to put together a simple model with some basics from my past teaching career, and some train the trainer programs I have done.....and some stuff i found on the internet from NASA, as well as some experience I got while helping clients apply for training funds. I have plenty of material, all fairly least to my liking, but not necesarily to other non trainers......

what would you want to see?

The special part will be a workshop.......where we create a scenario (yet to be determined.......heads is where i need help) and identify the training need......develop a training plan, a record, and the measure of effectivity.......That will serve to bring all the material to a useable level....and show me if my training was effective!!!!!

As a quickie at the end, we will discuss how to document this on a training grant application (our state does a lot of this...)

my request:
Can anyone provide some examples I can share as ways others have done "identify the needs", or developed programs...I have a couple but could use more for fodder

Any suggestions on a scenario? it will be a group of 15-30 depending (maybe I am optimistic....LOL) I have done candy factories, driving a car, making the morning coffee, assembling a notebook to death......should be a familiar task.

thanks so much...i know you all will come through you always do

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try this

Hello Barb,

Training issues are always a tough one. Let me describe what we did to address this.

We developed a set of "checklist" forms and a "new employee" documentation folder. HR issues a folder for each new employee. Included in the folder are all necessary forms for payroll, required personal information sheets, basic orientation forms covering quality and safety, and a detailed checklist of what training issues would be covered. The assigned supervisor is required to complete all the detailed checklists and return it to HR. The system is simple, yet effective.

Included in the packet is an Orientation Overview form, which measures effectiveness. I will try to post it here.

Hope this helps some.



barb butrym

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thanks carol, I saved it and will pass it out as one example. How did you determine the needs checklists you talked about? was it formal and detailed, or general? procedure based or theory? what works best for you and why?

questions questions......i know i am being a pain.....but i want to address it in depth, i am most interested in what works and what doesn't and the reasons...I will share the finished product.

here is mine
I typically use 2, one in HR that covers the quality system/policy facility wide stuff, safety, MSDS right to know, rules, etc. that is just a check sheet. ..... then one work site specific based on procedures. its a matrix with 3 parts. One lists 20 tasks, procedures etc. one lists the job functions in progression (entry level operator, operator, senior operator, trainer etc.) with 1-20 (representing the above 20 tasks) as the column header. An X under the culumn indicates which tasks are needed for the position/function. the third table on the sheet lists the employee and the X or date in the block under the 20 tasks indicates the training is complete. There is a sign off block for the supervisor etc. and date of update.

why it works,
its simple, clear and easy to complete. It is just one sheet, unless there are more than 20 covers needs identification, and serves as the record. it an be posted for reference.......great for OJT and setting goals for the employee.

whats missing
does not cover the details of what was trained, or effectivity. doesn't work as well for supplemental, away from the work site can cover it, but not as nicely.

So I added a preformance verification based on critical points in the procedure and a lesson plan for those. TESTS do not work for me.....all they prove is that you an take a test....i actually (or a designate...) go out and observe the person at the task according to the list of stuff identified as critical. THEN... i give those same lists to the "internal auditors in training" when that area is being audited as a tool to guide them.

Rick Goodson


Always a tough topic for folks.

The needs analysis can be realatively simple to very complex depending on how indepth you wish to get. If you want to do the classical approach you would start with job descriptions of the postion. The job descriptions should include the skills, knowledge, and abilities required to perform the function. Note that those are three distinctly different things. Once those are known you can then compare those to the individual being assessed to determine the gap. The comparison can be acomplished through interviews with the individual, manager, peers, and in some cases subordinates. A review of performance appraisals can also be used to generate gap information.

On to your direct question. You could use existing job descriptions if they identify skills, knowledge, and abilities. Then create a few fictitious employees (applications, job appraisals) who the group could evaluate against the requirements. Finally set yourself up as the supervisor, peer, subordinate and have the group interview you to get insight on the employee for the gap analysis. You can script this for yourself or make it up on the fly based on the questions asked. I personally like to make it up as I go because I do not have to think through all of the posible questions before the training. After they complete the gap analysis you could give them training catalogs as an aid in finding available programs or as an aid in developing general curriculum sugestions. If you need a catalog of training courses I will be glad to send you a few copies of ours.

Hope that helps. Good luck.



barb butrym

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thats exactly where i am headed....but am looking for a "job function" that is ficticious, that anyone can relate to. We will ID the needs using/creating several a job description, matrix or the like, then create a training plan/lesson plan or the like and a record to capture it, and a means for verifying the training was effective back at the work site.

Are your training catalogs electronic? i would like to see them


Rick Goodson


The full catalog is in a printed version but you can access it through our website

With regard to the job description, how about chauffeur. If you have kids you certainly can relate to that job. Think of the possibilities for skills and knowledge beyond driving; knowledge of the area, intervention skills, time management, the list goes on and on.



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looking good


Your system is very similar to what we do. I e-mailed you an example. Let me know what you think.

Because of some proprietary data on the forms, I could not post here. Sorry folks.

Training procedures

Hi All,


I'm new on the forum and new in the 'Q'Business...

A short explanation:
I've been working in Business Development for about 2 years for a small company (23 persons) with a horizontal hierarchical structure. We sell products & services in the field of mass transport (ranging from studies to maitenance).

After having presented the advantages of implementing a Quality System to my General Manager, I was 'bombarded' Responsible for Quality.
Since then, I've attended some training sessions about Quality Management Systems and Internal Auditing and must say that the process approach really opened my eyes....
It's my job to open the eyes of my colleagues now...

I hope to be able to solve the different problems I'm facing today and hope - one day - being able to help others solving theirs.

My aim is to keep everything as simple as possible, i.e. where possible, combine different aspects of the norm into one process.

I'd like to start off with our Training procedure with which I have some problems. I determined the following steps in the process:
1. IDENTIFICATION of training needs (with GO/No GO from General Manager regarding relevancy)
2. PLANIFICATION of training
3. EXECUTION of training
4. EVALUATION of training
5. Documentary UPDATE

As an input to the process, I'd like to use some kind of Employee Qualification Document as a reference. This document should be updated after each training session and should give an overview of the person's expertise / competences / .... according to his/her function within the company.

First problem:
Does anybody have suggestions about the format of such a 'Qualification document'? What is actually required by the Norm?

Second problem:
Everybody does a bit of everything in our company- the description of functions is very difficult (I've read in the forum that this is a common problem :) so how can we construct a grid that is clear and in line with the different functions we determined in our other procedures?

Third problem:
How can we REALLY evaluate training?

Fourth problem:
A Training Program will be a welcome 'innovation' in our company. But how can we determine how much money needs to be spent? What do we prioritise?

Thanks a lot!


Mike S.

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Not being sure how your company is set-up makes it hard to suggest training ideas. Like many subjects, each company has to decide what works best in their environment. However, you mentioned that "everybody does a bit of everything in our company" and I have been there once or twice. One idea that may or may not fit your company is to identify what tasks are important and then certify people to the task(s). For example, let's say 2 of your important tasks are "Processing Customer Purchase Orders" and "Final Cleaning of Widgets". Do you have a written "level 3" work instruction or SOP for those tasks? Do you have someone who is capable of being a "trainer"? If so, have the trainer go over the documented procedures, demonstrate the task, and watch the trainee perform the tasks. Maybe test-out the trainee by having them do a few from scratch, maybe with a "problem" or two thrown in. Once both the trainer and trainee are comfortable, have them sign a certification form for that task. Then monitor the trainee for a few days/weeks just to be sure everything goes okay. (Longer term, monitoring CAR's and scrap/complaints can also help guage training needs). Eventually, the trainee can perhaps become good enough to be a trainer, assuming the aptitude and knowledge is there. A simple form can be used to record certifications (trainers name, trainee's name, date, task name, level of certification, etc.).

Just one idea out of many possibilities.

Mike S.
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