Transitioning from ISO 9001:2008 to ISO/TS 16949:2009

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al40

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Hi Covers,

I have recently been hired as a QM and the first task is taking the company from ISO9001:2008 to TS-16949. It seems their salesforce is saying if we go to TS it would open more opportunities for us.

My question is what are the steps for TS-16949 registration?

Has anyone that is ISO 9001:2008 done this recently and would be willing to share their implementation plan?

Thanks,

AL40
 
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Re: ISO 9001:2008 to ISO/TS 16949:2009

al40 said:
Hi Covers,

I have recently been hired as a QM and the first task is taking the company from ISO9001:2008 to TS-16949. It seems their sales force is saying if we go to TS it would open more opportunities for us.

My question is what are the steps for TS-16949 registration?

Has anyone that is ISO 9001:2008 done this recently and would be willing to share their implementation plan?

Thanks,

AL40
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Al,

Is your organization a manufacturer of automotive parts and/or materials for on-road vehicles?

That is an ISO/TS 16949:2009 certification ("eligibility") requirement.

For starters, scroll down this page for links covering this topic.

Stijloor.
 
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Re: ISO 9001:2008 to ISO/TS 16949:2009

al40 said:
Hi Covers,

I have recently been hired as a QM and the first task is taking the company from ISO9001:2008 to TS-16949. It seems their salesforce is saying if we go to TS it would open more opportunities for us.

My question is what are the steps for TS-16949 registration?

Has anyone that is ISO 9001:2008 done this recently and would be willing to share their implementation plan?

Thanks,

AL40
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The steps for registration are:

- Choose your IATF Accredited CB
- Complete a quote request
- Schedule your audit dates
- Stage 1 on-site audit by CB to plan and prepare according to the TS Rules
- Stage 2 on-site audit by CB
- Correct any findings which need such action
- Issue certification
- Begin surveillance cycle.

If you are asking about the transition from ISO 9K to TS, that's somewhat different than just the registration...

IS that also what you're looking for information on?
 
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al40 said:
Hi Covers,

I have recently been hired as a QM and the first task is taking the company from ISO9001:2008 to TS-16949. It seems their salesforce is saying if we go to TS it would open more opportunities for us.

My question is what are the steps for TS-16949 registration?

Has anyone that is ISO 9001:2008 done this recently and would be willing to share their implementation plan?

Thanks,

AL40
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In addition to what Stijloor, AndyN and Harry rightly said and considering the sponsorship of your top management, you should begin from the training and formation if you are not aware about ISO TS issues.
Suggestion could be to request the help of a consultant to sustain the job.
You should start from a gap assessment on your processes, trying to understand what is the level of compliance with ISO TS additional clauses ( check clauses out of the boxes in the related standard). Probably you as an organization are already using and applying FMEA, Control plan, MSA , SPC etc, which are required from the automotive customers as well as typical quality tools such as PPAP and APQP ( another suggestion is to buy, study and get trained in AIAG books about those matters).
ISO TS certification could be an advantage in the next two-three years given that there are good chance that automotive market could raise up in Northern America, for this reason i think that sales people are pushing for this certification.
Remember that top mgmt shall give all sponsorship and be in the first line to sustain this project. Organization could have some resistance given that ISO TS is more stringent than ISO 9001.
Pls, give us more details and good luck!
 
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ISO/TS 16949:2009 requirements consists of the application 5 core tools like PFMEA,SPC,MSA,APQP & PPAP.

Your team have to be trained for these tools.Then you have to consider your customer requirements and those requirements need to be addressed in your QMS.

Prepare roadmap which would point out the micro level steps for achieving ISO/TS16949:2009 certification.

All the best.
 
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Re: ISO 9001:2008 to ISO/TS 16949:2009

Al40,

We're undergoing this very thing ourselves, but not because we want to so much as we have to.

If you're not currently doing work as a Tier 1 supplier for an auto maker, and you're not a potential tier 1 supplier for an automaker, I wouldn't bother with it.

Its a whole other world from 9001 (stuff that at times is so redundant and pointless its silly) and it takes a good deal of time, energy and resources to even get to the point where you're ready for a TS Audit.

A lot of it also depends on your company's field of expertise as well. I've found that most of the TS specs are hard to apply to us (we're a printing company, producing the Manuals that live in the glove boxes of some luxury cars) and here I am getting ready to start the APQP process on manuals and reference guides....

I'd start at the beginning. Somewhere around here someone posted a TS 16949/ISO 9001:2008 GAP analysis spreadsheet. Its a good place to start. See what you're currently doing and see what needs to be done.

Then work section by section through it. Fortunately, with ISO 9100:2008 in place, you have 6 of the 7 required documents already produced, the only one missing is Training (I said required, not necessarily needed). But the GAP analysis is a good starting place.

The other thing to do is contact your registrar and start the paperwork process. It happens that TUV America does not have anyone with experience in both Printing and TS 16949 so we're having to get approval for our main ISO auditor to serve as the printing expert for our TS audit... just one more hurdle to jump over.

Good luck!

Mark
 
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I too am looking for a TS 16949/ISO 9001:2008 GAP analysis spreadsheet. Can't seem to find one. Also need an ISO-13485 x ISO-9001:2008 comparisson. I'll appreciate any leads!
 
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Steve Berian said:
I too am looking for a TS 16949/ISO 9001:2008 GAP analysis spreadsheet. Can't seem to find one. Also need an ISO-13485 x ISO-9001:2008 comparisson. I'll appreciate any leads!
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Welcome to the Cove.

These materials can be found in the post attachments list

1. There are some TS audit checklist here which are actually a re-hash of the standard. Therefore, they can use them for gap analysis purpose. Just forget about the audit question if there is any. A sample I found is here.

2. For ISO 13485 vs/correspond to ISO 9001, carry out a search using 13485 as keyword.
 
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