Transitioning from ISO 9001 to ISO/TS 16949:2009

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Avogel

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Currently my company is ISO 9001 certified. We have a potential customer that requires us to be TS-16949 certified.
I am sure there is a thread on this discussion already; maybe someone can help me find it.
I am looking for any resource available to help with this transition.
Does anyone know of a guide or some publication to make this easy?
Thank you,
 
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Re: Iso 9001 to TS 16949-2009

Do you have a copy of the standard? It makes it pretty clear what the additional requirements are. I'd suggest that you start with a gap analysis of the differences between ISO 9001 and TS 16949, and use that to identify what work needs to be done.
 
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Avogel said:
Currently my company is ISO 9001 certified. We have a potential customer that requires us to be TS-16949 certified.
I am sure there is a thread on this discussion already; maybe someone can help me find it.
I am looking for any resource available to help with this transition.
Does anyone know of a guide or some publication to make this easy?
Thank you,
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If you have the luxury to engage a consultant, it will make your job much easier. But make sure the consultant is a TS auditor.
I have done the transition before, yes it is quite straight forward if you do a proper GAP analysis. Basically the major GAP is the 5 core tools, and process approach audit that is emphasize a lot. Also, there are many add ons requirements.
Guess the first thing to do is to provide your potential customer a consolidated plan on working towards TS certification.
:2cents:
 
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Re: Transitioning from ISO 9001 to TS 16949: 2009

jerry_Malaysia said:
If you have the luxury to engage a consultant, it will make your job much easier. But make sure the consultant is a TS auditor.
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Why? I've done a number of TS implementations as a consultant and I wasn't a TS Auditor! Knowledge of a robust implementation process, customer specifics, automotive tools, the audit process approach are what's needed, not an auditor's qualification or how to audit the tools etc!
 
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Re: Transitioning from ISO 9001 to TS 16949: 2009

I probably should mention, in case you aren't aware, that you can't actually get a TS 16949 certification for your system until you are making automotive product for a customer requiring TS 16949. If they require your system to be "certified" before you are making the automotive product, you can be audited and receive a "Letter of Conformance" from an approved certification body. Here are the requirements:
TS Rules 3rd Edition said:
5.14 Letter of conformance

The purpose of the letter of conformance is to confirm that processes exist which satisfy the requirements of ISO/TS 16949:2002 and these "Rules".

A client may be eligible to receive a letter of conformance in the following two situations:

1) a new site exists, or

2) an existing site that can demonstrate it is on an active bid list for a customer requiring ISO/TS 16949:2002 certification or compliance.

The certification body may issue a letter of conformance after:

a) the client is able to supply the information required for the stage 1 readiness review (see section 6.5) including internal and external performance data and one full cycle of internal audits and management review, but not twelve (12) months of internal audits and performance data,

b) the relevant site has completed an initial audit (stage 1 readiness review and stage 2) with no open nonconformity,

c) approval by veto power.

A letter of conformance issue date is the date of the positive decision and is valid for a maximum period of twelve (12) months. The IATF logo and an IATF certificate number shall not appear on the letter of conformance; therefore no record of the audit and the letter of conformance shall be entered into the IATF database.

After twelve (12) months for the new site or if the client on an active bid list receives a contract from the customer requiring ISO/TS 16949:2002 certification, the certification process shall proceed by the same certification body with an initial audit (stage 1 readiness review and stage 2), with a maximum reduction of 50% possible in audit days for the stage 2 audit.

If a contract from the customer requiring ISO/TS 16949:2002 certification has not been issued within 12 months, the client may re-apply for another letter of conformance. No stage 1 readiness review is required and a maximum reduction of 50% in the stage 2 audit days is allowable.
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AndyN said:
Why? I've done a number of TS implementations as a consultant and I wasn't a TS Auditor! Knowledge of a robust implementation process, customer specifics, automotive tools, the audit process approach are what's needed, not an auditor's qualification or how to audit the tools etc!
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Andy,
After reading your post, I think I must apologize to all competent TS consultants who are not TS auditors. :bonk: The reason why I preferred a TS auditor to be a consultant is I had very bad experience with a consultant who is not an auditor. He has given guidance to us which was found to be incomplete. After he assessed our system and said we were ready, CB auditors actually still pointed out a lot of gaps. We ended up in a mess. :frust: Having said that, I do agree that there are many consultants who are not TS auditors, but very competent.:yes:
 
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Re: Transitioning from ISO 9001 to TS 16949: 2009

jerry_Malaysia said:
Andy,
After reading your post, I think I must apologize to all competent TS consultants who are not TS auditors. :bonk: The reason why I preferred a TS auditor to be a consultant is I had very bad experience with a consultant who is not an auditor. He has given guidance to us which was found to be incomplete. After he assessed our system and said we were ready, CB auditors actually still pointed out a lot of gaps. We ended up in a mess. :frust: Having said that, I do agree that there are many consultants who are not TS auditors, but very competent.:yes:
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No problem, Jerry! Hopefully you got things straightened out! It is so important to make selections based on the capabilities of any supplier - from raw materials to services. Its always surprised and amazed me that although a material supplier will undergo quite extensive vetting, someone like a consultant can slide in, get a lot of money, not do a very competent job and rarely get a 'reject' made against them.
 
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