TS 16949 and non automotive products

[Mark Young]

Hello

I have what may be a silly question.

We are upgrading our QMS from ISO 94 to TS. The product produced that meets the TS specification is a teir one label. The rest of our projects (100's) are simple print shop jobs, fulfillment to non automotives, call center support ect.

Here is issue.

We have PFMEA, CP, ect for all OEM part numbered parts yet not for other projects. Also supplier development is an issue for the non automotive work. I do not see anywhere how to seperate out the non automotive work and still be in conformance with TS. Any thoughts ??

mark

 

[tomvehoski]

Just put in your system that PPAP, FMEA, control plans, etc. are only required for automotive jobs when required by the customer. Non-automotive jobs can have less stringent controls. The TS certificate would only apply to your automotive production parts and processes. You could get ISO 9001: 2000 for the rest of your operations.

Are you being required to go to 16949 for your customer or would they still accept 9001: 2000?

Tom

 

[Mark Young]

Tom

thanks very helpful. No Ford is Demanding the TS to retain Q1.

Would the cert say that TS only applies to automotive?

Your comments will help in all aspects of the system i.e. layout inspections, supplier issues, design FMEA ect. The only design we do is limited to writing code to extract data correctly.

Thanks again

Mark

 

[tomvehoski]

I believe they would have to limit the scope on your TS certificate to your automotive processes only. For example, if you make automotive labels and labels & printed inserts for drug containers your 16949 cert could read: "Manufacture of labels and printed materials for automotive applications" but not "Manufacture of automotive and pharmaceutical labels".

I had a client in the above situation a few years ago. They made automotive labels and did some pad printing, about 10% of their business. The rest was pharmaceutical. We stated in the procedures that "this procedure only applies to automotive product" when required. The auditors pretty much only looked at the automotive parts on a QS audit, but they ISO 1994 scope covered everything.

Tom

 

[Mark Young]

Tom

Thanks again

So did you get two seperate certs? I thought that TS was one cert for both TS and ISO 9001:2000: Just like the QS 9000:1998 and ISO 9001:1994 was a few years ago.

Mark

 

[tomvehoski]

I have not completed any of our TS certifications yet - probably get the first one done in late April or early May. I need to contact the registrar today on a quoting matter, so I will ask about their policy on issuing certificates.

Tom

 

[Manoj Mathur]

Which Certification body You are going and why only for that?

 

[Bill Ryan - 2007]

FWIW

Mark

Our TS cert is actually a two pager and the 9K2 is a separate one although issued with the TS cert. (Page 1 has the Scope and Exemptions listed and Page 2 has Customer Specific Requirements).

Bill