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TS 16949 applicability for Bulk Material Product

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LUV-d-4UM

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#22
Yes my company is TS certified. The Tier2 sub-suppliers have to do Control Chart PFMEA, Control Plan and CpK. What we asked of them is the ISO9001 certificate and the process capability study. They are included in our PPAP documents.
 

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#23
I am joining this discussion a little late, but would like to assist.
One of my clients sells several bulk chemicals in the auto industry (to Ford),
and we are TS registered. We do have many situations where individual TS
requirements do not make sense for us. In many cases we have been able
to get the customer Supplier Quality Engineer to waive the requirements.
For example, we too have trouble with Gage R & R for lab procedures, but
instead look at measurement system error. Another area which is difficult
is that many of our raw materials are purchasedD from distributors, who are
not ISO registered, and come from factories who may be unknown, or may
not be registered. Ford provides an exemption to the ISO 9001 requirement
for our suppliers, provided that we monitor their quality ("develop the supplier"). We do this by testing the product with incoming inspections, and verifying compliance 100%.
Do you have some specific questions to discuss?

Brad
 
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Greg_F

#24
We do not have a direct request by our customer since we do not deliver directly to the OEM. However, what I would like to know is how to position us at best without overdoing it.
 

LUV-d-4UM

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#25
The new OEM specific requirements for TIER 2 suppliers (in this case your situation) is to generate the: Process Flow Chart, PFMEA and Control Plan. Also TIER2 suppliers must demonstrate Process Capability =>1.33. For starters, TIER2 suppliers must be ISO9001:2008.
 
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Greg_F

#26
The new OEM specific requirements for TIER 2 suppliers (in this case your situation) is to generate the: Process Flow Chart, PFMEA and Control Plan. Also TIER2 suppliers must demonstrate Process Capability =>1.33. For starters, TIER2 suppliers must be ISO9001:2008.
Just to be sure:

You say being ISO 9001 certified, having all the tools like Frocess-Flow-Charts, PFMEA, control plan applied and being able to demonstrate a Cpk => 1.33 should be OK.

How do the other see this? :argue:

I am looking forward to learn about your point of view.

Thank you in advance :thanx:
 
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