Marc - we may want to change the name of this forum to TS16949. Anyway, I was at a conference where a Daimlier/Chrysler Quality Manager was speaking. He indicated strongly that his company's position in the near future (Jan 2000?) regarding QS or TS, was that TS16949 would be the standard of choice. Although he said the B3 were frustrated by the quality of QS9K audits that 3rd party registrars were giving, that was not the sole reason for changing standards. He said that TS16949 should be easier for the B3 to manage and that the B3 (& other European automakers?) would be much more stringent in mandating certain auditor requirements. He said that the B3 were still seeing too many bad products coming from suppliers and that the auditors should be picking these "systemic" problems up during their audits. He also said that as part of the accreditation body witness audits, that their may be a B3 auditor observing the 3rd party audit as well as the accreditation body auditor. The B3 auditor would be looking for questions being asked about sufficiency of continuous improvement efforts, scrap reduction, preventive action efforts, etc. He was obviously bothered by the fact that the QS9K 3rd party audits were not producing the results that Daimlier/Chrysler expected to see. Sooooo....move over QS9K, the TS freight train is coming!!!