TS 16949 Certification for 20 out of 70 ISO 9001 Certified Lines

[jodhus]

We are currently a ISO 9001:2008 automotive supplier who are selling direct to the oem. We have been grandfathered in. Now the customers are asking us to be TS 16949.

We are manufacturing from one location. Within that location we have 70 production lines (cells making widgets). Entire plant operates under ISO 9001.
About 20 lines are dedicated to making the widgets for the automotive customers. We are only planning to apply TS to the 20 lines dedicated to the producing the widgets for the customer. We do not want to subject the other 50 lines for TS. Those 50 lines make completely different parts and service a business sector that has nothing to do with automotive.

So my question is as follows: How can we go about updating the Quality manual so that the TS clauses are only applicable to the automotive business? Any examples or even 'hybrid' quality manuals as such would really help. Sometimes, all it takes is to see an example to have an 'aha' moment. I don't want to go about conjuring up a convuluted QMS update when there is something simple and beautiful that I can learn from.


I'm thinking about structuring the QMS just like how TS is written, box in all the ISO requirements and everything boxed-out will be subject to the TS clauses.

Thanks for all your help in advance. You can PM or reply to this post!

 

[harry]

Re: TS 16949 and ISO 9001

......................We are only planning to apply TS to the 20 lines dedicated to the producing the widgets for the customer. We do not want to subject the other 50 lines for TS. Those 50 lines make completely different parts and service a business sector that has nothing to do with automotive. .......................................

Are these 20 lines isolated from the rest? I think it is best that you discuss it with your current CB first before attempting to do anything else.

 

[Marc]

I agree with Harry - The CB should work with you to determine the scope of the TS 16949 registration. I have seen quite a few plants which only have a sub-set of their manufacturing lines and processes in the registration scope.

The big picture, though, is that TS 16949 isn't manufacturing lines alone. There are other systems and processes subject to TS 16949, most of which it would be quite complicated to have dual systems for, but it can be done. Think of document control and purchasing to name a couple.

As to revision of your quality manual, that is something to consider after you have determined the scope of registration.

 

[jodhus]

Thanks. We will be working with the CB to set the scope of TS.

Having said that I think I forgot to elaborate that our company is very vertical. Even the support processes:
Mrketing (VOC) -> Design Engineering -> Operations -> Quality -> Supply Chain have dedicated position to support each business line.

So my question is more along the lines of, "How can my quality manual be structured so that only the ISO+TS clause applies to the automotive 'vertical' and ONLY the ISO clauses apply to the other 'verticals' within our company.?" I'm just trying to visualize how I can structure my QMS to cover our hybrid status.

 

[John Broomfield]

jodhus,

You could tackle this problem this way:

• Apply clauses 4, 5, 6 and 8 of ISO/TS 16949 to the whole organization, and
• Apply clause 7 via quality planning (ISO 9001 for non automotive and TS for automotive) to the product realization and delivery processes.

This way you'll have the leadership, work environment and support processes you need for flexible assignment of personnel to either type of production line.

You'll also be able to compare the performance of both types of production line. You may find the TS requirements would make your company more profitable if applied throughout.

John