TS 16949 Cost Benefit Analysis

D

deniser

#1
My boss gave me the task of generating a cost benefit analysis for going 16949 at our site. I have until tomorrow to finish this. We are registered to 9001:2000 and have been for 2 years with 0 deviations. We have a very rudimentary APQP system in place. I can calculate costs to get us certified, I think, but there have to be ongoing costs hidden away. There's always a catch to these things. We currently sell 2 products that we bought from another company into automotive and are considering a new product. We build semiconductors. We were just audited Friday by a customer that deliberately left the market due to the costing issues. They told us that there were costs associated with monitoring and auditing suppliers and significant lost opportunity costs in making process improvements, where they had to wait over a year from their customer for approval. Anyone know anything else we should be aware of? Thanks. BTW- the QE group consists of me. How many people are realistically required to keep up with the paperwork?
 
Elsmar Forum Sponsor
T

tomvehoski

#2
TS16949 is built on ISO 9001: 2000, so it would require upgrading your system, not building a new one. If you already have APQP in place, you have covered the biggest addition in the standard.

Your costs would increase for audits since the auditor day requirements are higher for 16949. Exact number of days would depend on the size of your company. It is hard to say how much you would have to put into upgrading your systems without knowing their status now. Also the size of your company, complexity of processes, etc. will dictate how much time and effort is required to maintain the system.

If I had to force a guess, I would estimate 125 to 175 hours to implement an upgrade to 16949.

If your customers are requiring 16949 or you would see a big marketing advantage by having it, I would recommend upgrade. If ISO 9001 will satisfy your customers, 16949 may not be worth the cost and headaches.

Tom
 

Marc

Fully vaccinated are you?
Leader
#3
It's been a while since this thread was started, and I thought maybe now some folks might be able to, or willing to, comment on (data if possible :rolleyes: ), TS 16949 Cost Benefit Analysis.

Anyone with any numbers or discussion comments?
 
Thread starter Similar threads Forum Replies Date
Q Quick ISO-TS 16949 Electronic Copy Cost Estimate IATF 16949 - Automotive Quality Systems Standard 2
F Extra Cost for ISO/TS 16949 in Tooling Cost Break Down IATF 16949 - Automotive Quality Systems Standard 11
Ajit Basrur Cost of ISO 13485 Certification high compared to ISO 9001, TS 16949 and ISO 14001 ISO 13485:2016 - Medical Device Quality Management Systems 1
A Cost of implementing TS-16949 - Organization is already ISO 9001:2000 registered IATF 16949 - Automotive Quality Systems Standard 4
L TS 16949 Clause 5.6.1.1 - Cost of "POOR" Quality vs. Cost of Quality IATF 16949 - Automotive Quality Systems Standard 4
M TS 16949 Clause 5.6.1.1 - Cost of Poor Quality - How can I track CoPQ? IATF 16949 - Automotive Quality Systems Standard 5
S Cost of Poor Quality (COPQ) - What are the TS 16949 Requirements IATF 16949 - Automotive Quality Systems Standard 1
B Location of Work Instructions and Cost of Poor Quality - TS 16949 IATF 16949 - Automotive Quality Systems Standard 11
D Preparing for IATF 16949 Letter of Conformance Stage 1 audit IATF 16949 - Automotive Quality Systems Standard 4
D Is it required to have the operator initial their work in the IATF 16949:2016 standard? IATF 16949 - Automotive Quality Systems Standard 3
X IATF 16949 Section 3.2 Change of ownership IATF 16949 - Automotive Quality Systems Standard 2
Sidney Vianna Tesla Lacks Major Automotive Quality Certifications such as IATF 16949 and ISO 9001 IATF 16949 - Automotive Quality Systems Standard 15
W Looking for IATF 16949 (and ISO 17025) QMS software Suggestions Quality Tools, Improvement and Analysis 8
Sidney Vianna IATF 16949 News IATF News - Top 10 IATF 16949 nonconformities and more..... IATF 16949 - Automotive Quality Systems Standard 7
B IATF 16949 clause 10.2 - requirements following a customer complaint. IATF 16949 - Automotive Quality Systems Standard 9
C IATF 16949:2016 Major NC pertaining to 7.1.5.2.1 Calibration/verification records IATF 16949 - Automotive Quality Systems Standard 15
R How many process maps are adequate for a company for IATF 16949? Process Maps, Process Mapping and Turtle Diagrams 17
O IATF 16949 News Upcoming Changes to IATF 16949? IATF 16949 - Automotive Quality Systems Standard 4
V IATF 16949 GM CSR 10.2.4 Error-proofing requirement IATF 16949 - Automotive Quality Systems Standard 2
D IATF 16949 Clause 7.2.2 - On the job training IATF 16949 - Automotive Quality Systems Standard 2
L IATF 16949 8.3 Exclusions Manufacturing and Related Processes 5
H Clause matrix for 16949 IATF 16949 - Automotive Quality Systems Standard 3
D IATF 16949 7.3.1 Awareness- Supplemental IATF 16949 - Automotive Quality Systems Standard 2
Q IATF 16949 8.4.2.4 Supplier Monitoring IATF 16949 - Automotive Quality Systems Standard 2
J Implementation, establishment and certification of IATF 16949. IATF 16949 - Automotive Quality Systems Standard 6
xfngrs 3 year audit cycle IATF 16949 IATF 16949 - Automotive Quality Systems Standard 10
D IATF 16949 Process Map IATF 16949 - Automotive Quality Systems Standard 19
Vader22 IATF 16949 extended manufacturing site help IATF 16949 - Automotive Quality Systems Standard 4
D IATF 16949 Certification and Letter of Conformance expiry (Help!!!) IATF 16949 - Automotive Quality Systems Standard 8
D AS9100 VS IATF 16949 AS9100, IAQG, NADCAP and Aerospace related Standards and Requirements 4
Ashland78 Need IATF 16949 ISO Gap Analysis Excel File Internal Auditing 3
T Justification of "Design Excluded" in IATF 16949 Design and Development of Products and Processes 5
Sidney Vianna Job Opening in the USA - IATF 16949 Lead Auditor Position Job Openings, Consulting and Employment Opportunities 0
Ron Rompen IATF 16949 8.5.1.4 IATF 16949 - Automotive Quality Systems Standard 7
P IATF 16949:2016 Letter of conformity IATF 16949 - Automotive Quality Systems Standard 5
D IATF 16949 SI 10, External non-accredited lab IATF 16949 - Automotive Quality Systems Standard 4
S IATF 16949 - Summary at a glance Clause wise - changes from ISO TS IATF 16949 - Automotive Quality Systems Standard 4
T IATF 16949 Recording inspection results IATF 16949 - Automotive Quality Systems Standard 2
S IATF 16949 Supplier selection criteria 8.4.1.2 IATF 16949 - Automotive Quality Systems Standard 5
D IATF 16949 M&TE Laboratory scope IATF 16949 - Automotive Quality Systems Standard 7
M IATF 16949 SI # 10: Integrated self-calibration of measurement equipment- Needs for explanation IATF 16949 - Automotive Quality Systems Standard 2
Q ISO 9001/IATF 16949 Audit Finding Question - Document Retention IATF 16949 - Automotive Quality Systems Standard 11
J IATF 16949 Calibration/Verification records question ISO 26262 - Road vehicles – Functional safety 6
D Bulk Materials (Greases) and IATF 16949 IATF 16949 - Automotive Quality Systems Standard 11
J IATF 16949 Internal Audit question - Auditor's responsibility Internal Auditing 6
S IATF 16949 Internal Audit Example IATF 16949 - Automotive Quality Systems Standard 20
B Remote IATF 16949 audit preparation General Auditing Discussions 10
R IATF 16949 Certification for new site with transferred product--what is the impact with CSR and scorecards? IATF 16949 - Automotive Quality Systems Standard 4
B IATF 16949 Cert Expire- New certification body IATF 16949 - Automotive Quality Systems Standard 5
M IATF 16949 - Audit of Remote Location/Support Site and IT IATF 16949 - Automotive Quality Systems Standard 4

Similar threads

Top Bottom