TS 16949 Internal Audit Requirements - What to cover in each shift?

[p_tww]

here is a situation, 3 shifts work perday (8hrs each shift) done by 5 teams(rotary).
would anyone please kindly tell me what will you cover all shifts work as TS2 internal audit requirements?? and what will you focus in various shift?? thanks

 

[ralphsulser]

here is a situation, 3 shifts work perday (8hrs each shift) done by 5 teams(rotary).
would anyone please kindly tell me what will you cover all shifts work as TS2 internal audit requirements?? and what will you focus in various shift?? thanks

TS internal audits on all shifts for the same audit conditions to identify continuity and make sure each shift understands waht is required. Sometimes the night shifts, especially mudnights, get less communication or direction. I have been in plants where that shift seems like an entirely different company.

Is this what you are asking, or did I miss your point?

 

[Wes Bucey]

here is a situation, 3 shifts work perday (8hrs each shift) done by 5 teams(rotary).
would anyone please kindly tell me what will you cover all shifts work as TS2 internal audit requirements?? and what will you focus in various shift?? thanks

I respect Ralph's input.
It occurs to me that since you have five teams, please explain whether the teams are fixed and only the work shifts rotate or whether team members exchange between teams.

If the teams are fixed, why not create internal audit teams from each team to audit the team? They can follow the teams through the 3 work shifts, eliminating shift bias.

Attempting to take folks from one team to audit work of folks on another team might tend to create too much of a "competition" - something Deming was always conscious of.

If at all possible, ensure the audit team is cross-functional.

I'm interested in seeing how others here in the Cove would create and schedule internal audit teams under these conditions.

 

[amr1234]

Process Audits and Ts Audits across all shifts

I had a similiar discussion today with my manager. We have 1800 products within our facility. I know we are to audit(process)all shifts but he feels we should audit the off shifts if we have found a non conformance to verify a systemic problem.

It is my understanding we should include all shifts in the audit plan and not audit a specific area after uncovering an issue.

Is this merely an interpretation issue? I need some help?

 

[p_tww]

here is a situation, 3 shifts work perday (8hrs each shift) done by 5 teams(rotary).
would anyone please kindly tell me what will you cover all shifts work as TS2 internal audit requirements?? and what will you focus in various shift?? thanks

Many thanks for all your inputs, and sorry for not clear question?
what I concerned is should I audit 3 shifts(8hrs per shift) or cover 5 teams?
I agreed we should check how the operator works at various shifts, especially at night shift, how they get production information, logistics, nonconforming product control,contingency plan etc.
IMO, 3 shifts is enough, no need for 5 team, afterall, auditing is basing on sampling check.
Hope it's clear question this time, thanks again.

 

[p_tww]

I know we are to audit(process)all shifts but he feels we should audit the off shifts if we have found a non conformance to verify a systemic problem.

It is my understanding we should include all shifts in the audit plan and not audit a specific area after uncovering an issue.
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I think your manager concerned impact of correctivce action( it's required in clause 8.5.2.3 of TS2 std).

 

[bpritts]

Auditing all 3 shifts will be fine as long as it covers all 5 teams over time.

The goal is to make certain that audits sample all of your operating
conditions and people and do not systematically exclude a group.

Best regards,

Brad

 

[p_tww]

Auditing all 3 shifts will be fine as long as it covers all 5 teams over time.

The goal is to make certain that audits sample all of your operating
conditions and people and do not systematically exclude a group.

Best regards,

Brad

thanks Brad,
I found some explanation on all shift covered, it was in R48 of IASG sanctioned QS-9000 interpretations dated Dec.1,1997.
"Q: FOr a company operating on 6 shifts basis: ie 3 shifts during week and 3 shifts onlyh working during weekend(Sat./Sunday). Is it acceptable that the audit covers onlyh the duration of the audit(during the week) or do weekend activities have to covered?
A: if th eweekend crews are dedicated and non-rotating into the weekly shift schedule, then auditing of the weekend shifts is required""

here I understood no need for 5 teams audit in my situation, is it correct? Appreciated more opinions.

 

[Sam]

thanks Brad,
I found some explanation on all shift covered, it was in R48 of IASG sanctioned QS-9000 interpretations dated Dec.1,1997.
"Q: FOr a company operating on 6 shifts basis: ie 3 shifts during week and 3 shifts onlyh working during weekend(Sat./Sunday). Is it acceptable that the audit covers onlyh the duration of the audit(during the week) or do weekend activities have to covered?
A: if th eweekend crews are dedicated and non-rotating into the weekly shift schedule, then auditing of the weekend shifts is required""

here I understood no need for 5 teams audit in my situation, is it correct? Appreciated more opinions.

All shifts have to be audited, regardless of how they operate. All teams on each shift do not have to be at the same time.
TS does not specify audit frequency. Establish your audit frequency based on customer requirements. If there are no customer requirements, base your frequency on the method stated in the "Rules".

 

[db]

All shifts have to be audited, regardless of how they operate. All teams on each shift do not have to be at the same time.
TS does not specify audit frequency. Establish your audit frequency based on customer requirements. If there are no customer requirements, base your frequency on the method stated in the "Rules".

Agreed Sam,

If we look at the reason we are auditing (to ensure our system is working, not just because we "have to"), it only makes sense we need to audit the entire process. At some point, all shifts, and all teams will have to be sampled. It is the only way to make sure the system works.

If we check the air in our tires and never sample the spare, do we have faith that the spare is usable if needed? To avoid this problem, we need to check the air in the spare as well.