TS 16949 Registrar Audit Failure Modes
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Helmut Jilling
Auditor / Consultant
Re: Our Failure Modes
Yes, weekly is for top management. As you go down the layers of mgt, the frequency increases. The bottom layer is typically once per shift by a team leader or supervisor. CQI-8 should detail it all.
Yes, weekly is for top management. As you go down the layers of mgt, the frequency increases. The bottom layer is typically once per shift by a team leader or supervisor. CQI-8 should detail it all.
Re: Our Failure Modes
Yes I red the CQ-8. We only work 1 shift, 16 people-including non-hourly workers, and we make this fluid once a month. Can we just get a waiver from Chrysler and have All layers of management audit once a month when the product is being made?
Yes I red the CQ-8. We only work 1 shift, 16 people-including non-hourly workers, and we make this fluid once a month. Can we just get a waiver from Chrysler and have All layers of management audit once a month when the product is being made?
Helmut Jilling
Auditor / Consultant
Re: Our Failure Modes
I would certainly put that request to them. Your case is certainly not the classic situation that LPA was inteded for. In fact, ask if Mgt could do it on alternating months.
I would certainly put that request to them. Your case is certainly not the classic situation that LPA was inteded for. In fact, ask if Mgt could do it on alternating months.
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tomvehoski
Re: Our Failure Modes
Lets see... The failures from my audit last week...
- Auditor never confirmed the audit date
- Auditor didn't provide an audit schedule
- The registrar seemed to have lost all records of our previous audits in their online system.
- Not clear that the registrar ever provided the final copy of our last audit report (I was not here at the time)
- Auditor and Witness Auditor (from registrar) spent more time complaining about registrar's travel policy and talking about everything else under the sun than they did auditing.
- Still no access to registrar's online system one week after requesting it.
Oh, wait. You meant MY failures...
Lets see... The failures from my audit last week...
- Auditor never confirmed the audit date
- Auditor didn't provide an audit schedule
- The registrar seemed to have lost all records of our previous audits in their online system.
- Not clear that the registrar ever provided the final copy of our last audit report (I was not here at the time)
- Auditor and Witness Auditor (from registrar) spent more time complaining about registrar's travel policy and talking about everything else under the sun than they did auditing.
- Still no access to registrar's online system one week after requesting it.
Oh, wait. You meant MY failures...
Helmut Jilling
Auditor / Consultant
Re: Our Failure Modes
...sooo, you're with that registrar...why?
Lets see... The failures from my audit last week...
- Auditor never confirmed the audit date
- Auditor didn't provide an audit schedule
- The registrar seemed to have lost all records of our previous audits in their online system.
- Not clear that the registrar ever provided the final copy of our last audit report (I was not here at the time)
- Auditor and Witness Auditor (from registrar) spent more time complaining about registrar's travel policy and talking about everything else under the sun than they did auditing.
- Still no access to registrar's online system one week after requesting it.
Oh, wait. You meant MY failures...
...sooo, you're with that registrar...why?
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tomvehoski
Re: Our Failure Modes
Because they give us a fancy certificate to include with our PPAP submissions. Makes the owners happy enough.
...sooo, you're with that registrar...why?
Because they give us a fancy certificate to include with our PPAP submissions. Makes the owners happy enough.
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sitapaty
Logically a nonconformity is any situation where a SHALL requirement is infringed. There are over 300 SHALLS in TS 16949 Standard which actually include 436 SHALL requirements.Therfore the no of NCs possible is 436.
A list of shall requirements can be compiled by simply going through the standard.
Sitapaty
A list of shall requirements can be compiled by simply going through the standard.
Sitapaty
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Re: Our Failure Modes
Did you make a reject report out for this supplier, as you would have done for any other (materials/sub-contractor) supplier?
I'd strongly suggest that you do! You paid (good) money for this service and, as a member of the community I believe you should be striving to get the most value from these - so that management see a difference!
What will you be doing?
Lets see... The failures from my audit last week...
- Auditor never confirmed the audit date
- Auditor didn't provide an audit schedule
- The registrar seemed to have lost all records of our previous audits in their online system.
- Not clear that the registrar ever provided the final copy of our last audit report (I was not here at the time)
- Auditor and Witness Auditor (from registrar) spent more time complaining about registrar's travel policy and talking about everything else under the sun than they did auditing.
- Still no access to registrar's online system one week after requesting it.
Oh, wait. You meant MY failures...
Did you make a reject report out for this supplier, as you would have done for any other (materials/sub-contractor) supplier?
I'd strongly suggest that you do! You paid (good) money for this service and, as a member of the community I believe you should be striving to get the most value from these - so that management see a difference!
What will you be doing?
Helmut Jilling
Auditor / Consultant
Re: Our Failure Modes
Well, there are a few other good registrars represented on Elsmar here that will give you a "fancy certificate to include with our PPAP submissions," AND pretty darn good service and value-added audits to boot. 3 year warranty, and no charge for oil changes... But, this is a limited time offer...
Well, there are a few other good registrars represented on Elsmar here that will give you a "fancy certificate to include with our PPAP submissions," AND pretty darn good service and value-added audits to boot. 3 year warranty, and no charge for oil changes... But, this is a limited time offer...
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