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TS Certification Scope - Semiconductor subcontractor providing assembly and testing

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Does the content of the Audit Practices Group document on Scopes apply to the TS world?

If the word "test" cannot be part of the scope statement on a TS certificate, then I would question the applicability of the APG document to the TS world.

From the APG document:

"Consequently, the scope of registration/certification encompasses the scope of the QMS, as well as describing any excluded ISO 9001 requirements.

In order to dissipate such confusion and to enable identification of what has been registered/certified, the scope of registration/certification should clearly define:

- the scope of the QMS (including details of the product lines and related sites, departments, divisions etc. that are covered by it), "


Thank you again Sidney for shaing all of your knowledge.

Regards,

Dirk
 
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This has not been published but in an exchange between myself and one of the oversight bodies
I asked the following:
Howard Atkins: "Do the interpretations of ISO/TC 176 as published here http://www.tc176.org/Interpre.asp apply to audits according to ISO/TS 16949:2002 ?"
Oversight body:"The answer regarding ISO/TC 176 is No"

The reason for me asking was the interpretation referring to the Management Representative.

By inference the APG is in the same position.
 
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This is somewhat related. A company takes chips and programs them, then sends them to their customer. These chips are used in vehicles, and without the programming, they would be useless. Their customer states they must be registered to TS. They initially were, but their registrar pulled the registration, stating that the IAOB has ruled that semiconductors are not applicable for TS. The customer says no TS, no new work.

I cannot find any rule that clearly covers the programming of chips.
 
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db said:
I cannot find any rule that clearly covers the programming of chips.
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You won't. Basically, you would have to find a TS qualified CB that is willing to accept that IC programming is a value added manufacturing process. That would be the "sine qua non" condition for this organization to be eligible to TS 16949 certification.
 
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Sidney Vianna said:
You won't. Basically, you would have to find a TS qualified CB that is willing to accept that IC programming is a value added manufacturing process. That would be the "sine qua non" condition for this organization to be eligible to TS 16949 certification.
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That's kinda what I thought, however, their registrar is quoting the IAOB, and I just want to know where the quote came from.
 
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