TS16949:2002 checklist - MS Word .doc Document attached

[GauravBhatnagar]

Thanks Tony. This one is well structured. However I am looking for some specific details / Check points on Process Audits.

 

[r29728]

thanks, it is a pity that no QSA available again.....

 

[AndyN]

thanks, it is a pity that no QSA available again.....

That's because a canned, prescriptive checklist, like the QSA, is not an effective audit tool. People who use them tend not to deviate from the prescribed questions, therefore, there's no evaluation of the system, since it forces a 'yes' or 'no' answer. Auditing is, in reality, very rarely as cut and dried as yes, or no........

The AIAG noted this when the followed a number of QS-9000 audits and found that it was an ineffective tool. Hence it was withdrawn.

 

[raju8177]

Thanks for the Checklist.

 

[r29728]

That's because a canned, prescriptive checklist, like the QSA, is not an effective audit tool. People who use them tend not to deviate from the prescribed questions, therefore, there's no evaluation of the system, since it forces a 'yes' or 'no' answer. Auditing is, in reality, very rarely as cut and dried as yes, or no........

The AIAG noted this when the followed a number of QS-9000 audits and found that it was an ineffective tool. Hence it was withdrawn.

Thanks for your explaination, I'm agreed with you that audit shall be carried out based on system flow,production realization flow or supply chain to trace back the system effectiveness, however we can not ignore that the effect of a QSA for an new company, who will just establish the QMS, that's why the reason many people here download this checklist....

 

[convertiblefan]

Re: TS16949:2002 checklist - MS Word Document attached

Thanks, was looking for a starting point to audit. Agree with some comments that audits need to grow and devleop. But in a pinch I can get the audits out of the gate. Appreciate the work shared!

 

[Helmut Jilling]

Thanks for your explaination, I'm agreed with you that audit shall be carried out based on system flow,production realization flow or supply chain to trace back the system effectiveness, however we can not ignore that the effect of a QSA for an new company, who will just establish the QMS, that's why the reason many people here download this checklist....

Certainly a point by point checklist is useful to do a gap analysis against a standard. I have one I can use should that situation arise.

However, please do not confuse that with an internal audit. It violates the TS Rules (2nd ed., Annex 5 and table on pg 32).

My concern is that many newbies who download the clause based checksheets do not understand that. CB auditors are instructed to NOT accept clause based internal audits, only process oriented audits. Beyond that, you can do anything in addition you wish.

 

[Casman]

Didn't TS 16949:2002 get a new release of 2009?

 

[Helmut Jilling]

Didn't TS 16949:2002 get a new release of 2009?

Yes, October 2009. No specific new, additional requirements, though it clarifies and simplifies some existing requirements.

 

[DaddyDow]

Yes, October 2009. No specific new, additional requirements, though it clarifies and simplifies some existing requirements.

TS16949:2009 or TS16949E specifically states under 8.2.2.4 the following note:
NOTE Specific checklists should be used for each audit.
Please explain how everyone is saying checklists are banned or not to be used.

My problem with what was here for internal audits upon my arrival with a new company was that the checklists were not controlled, never changed, they were however specific to each department and the directives or procedures that applied to the particular department, however it was stale and did not help improve anything. It was merely used to remind everyone how horrible the document control process was, nothing more.
I am trying to further develop a process based plan, guide and notes document that I originally found as a checklist sort of thing on this very forum posted by Antonio Santos.
I want the document to serve as the template for each internal audit that will satisfy ISO9001:2008, AS9100C and TS16949E requirements all in one. Antonio's design was not really a checklist it was more of a diagram, matrix and notes multi-tabbed document that required the auditor to interact with all of the necessary inputs, outputs and support processes.
I really liked his approach and will continue to modify the document and the process it will control until I can get it to meet the requirements for all 3 QMS standards independently, I do not want 3 different audit programs. I will also ensure it requires the use of the latest Quality Manual as that will also provide up to date requirements, process and procedure linkage, etc.

I have attached a copy of what i have at this very moment, of what was origjnally Antonio's design, however it is nowhere near complete in my opnion, not for my needs, not yet.