Ts16949 - Company Does Not Want To Invest

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jciszewski

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We are currently QS9000 registered and as a Management Rep I have been pushing for TS, I recieved quotes to get an outside contractor to help us since we are under the gun.

Now my company says they want to avoid it. Our customers are requiring us to be TS but they won't do it.

I am at a loss, what happens now.
 
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jciszewski said:
:confused:

We are currently QS9000 registered and as a Management Rep I have been pushing for TS, I recieved quotes to get an outside contractor to help us since we are under the gun.

Now my company says they want to avoid it. Our customers are requiring us to be TS but they won't do it. I am at a loss, what happens now.
The customers may have more "push" than you do. How much push remains to be seen.

Since upper management support is needed for any program like this, I see little you can do except wait and see.
 
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jciszewski said:
We are currently QS9000 registered and as a Management Rep I have been pushing for TS, I recieved quotes to get an outside contractor to help us since we are under the gun.

Now my company says they want to avoid it. Our customers are requiring us to be TS but they won't do it.

I am at a loss, what happens now.
It sounds like you are in a bind. I agree with what Jennifer stated. The requirement to go to TS is not yours (personally), but your customers’. I would ask senior management how they plan to meet the customer requirement? Don’t envy you a bit. Keep us updated.
 

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jciszewski said:
Now my company says they want to avoid it. Our customers are requiring us to be TS but they won't do it.

I am at a loss, what happens now.
When I visit your company's website, they list products for military, commercial and industrial applications. I could not see a clear automotive product in your website. So, my suspicion is that a possible loss of your automotive customers would represent a very small percentage of the company's business. Maybe that is why upper management does not want to do it. They might have done a risk/reward analysis and not see the return for the investment.
Could that be the reason?
 

Helmut Jilling

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jciszewski said:
:confused:

We are currently QS9000 registered and as a Management Rep I have been pushing for TS, I recieved quotes to get an outside contractor to help us since we are under the gun.

Now my company says they want to avoid it. Our customers are requiring us to be TS but they won't do it.

I am at a loss, what happens now.

As Sidney asks, do you make automotive parts? If not, you cannot do TS regardless. However, if you do, but are at tier 2, 3, etc. many customers will accept ISO 9001 with TS functional compliance.
 
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ChuckHughes

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I agree that you don't need to be TS if you are a "small" company or the automotive portion of your business is a very small piece. Ford/GM/DCX customer specific requirements moderate the supplier development clause in 7.4. That may be the logic top management is using.

What is their reasoning?
 

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hjilling said:
As Sidney asks, do you make automotive parts? If not, you cannot do TS regardless. However, if you do, but are at tier 2, 3, etc. many customers will accept ISO 9001 with TS functional compliance.
Hmmm, what is "functional compliance"? How do you define that?

My employer is in the same boat. We were QS. One OEM customer said that we must get TS. We said no, we're getting ISO 9001 instead. We are a tier 1 for only after-market automotve parts to the big 3.

So what is "functional compliance"? :confused:
 
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ChuckHughes

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Functional compliance, to me, means your ISO 9001 compliant system has additional provisions for meeting specific TS requirements that apply only to the automotive part you make. You would apply appropriate TS requirements to the processes that effect that automotive part directly, such as its PPAP, or 100% on time delivery of those parts (if they go to FORD). Things like "supplier development" requirements or monitoring premium freight would not be done.
 

Helmut Jilling

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Lee said:
Hmmm, what is "functional compliance"? How do you define that?

My employer is in the same boat. We were QS. One OEM customer said that we must get TS. We said no, we're getting ISO 9001 instead. We are a tier 1 for only after-market automotve parts to the big 3.

So what is "functional compliance"? :confused:

Chuck Hughes defined "functional compliance" well.

Howver, I am unclear in your product. You said "after-market automotve parts to the big 3." Generally, there are few cases where you can do after-market automotve parts to the big 3, because the term means parts provided after the vehicle has been sold. Do you mean custom trim parts and the like that are sold to Big 3 dealers, or to Pep Boys?

Generally, aftermarket would not qualify for TS applicability unless it is specified by an OE customer.
 

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hjilling said:
Chuck Hughes defined "functional compliance" well.

Howver, I am unclear in your product. You said "after-market automotve parts to the big 3." Generally, there are few cases where you can do after-market automotve parts to the big 3, because the term means parts provided after the vehicle has been sold. Do you mean custom trim parts and the like that are sold to Big 3 dealers, or to Pep Boys?

Generally, aftermarket would not qualify for TS applicability unless it is specified by an OE customer.
After-market as in sold at the dealer in their parts department (under the hood engine items), under the dealer's name/badge, but we made it! Also, tier 1 sales to their racing teams. GM specifically stated we had to register to TS regardless of aftermarket or production. Our executive mgmt said "No".
 
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