Ts16949 - Company Does Not Want To Invest

[ralphsulser]

After-market as in sold at the dealer in their parts department (under the hood engine items), under the dealer's name/badge, but we made it! Also, tier 1 sales to their racing teams. GM specifically stated we had to register to TS regardless of aftermarket or production. Our executive mgmt said "No".

I love it, finally someone stepped forward and did the right thing about the unrealistic mandates You are fortunate to have such leadership.

 

[Crusader]

Just say "No"!

I love it, finally someone stepped forward and did the right thing about the unrealistic mandates You are fortunate to have such leadership.

Thanks! I wanted TS but just for the status. You know what I mean? The main reason my mgmt said "No" was because of the cost. We had originally started down the TS path but when the fees were all laid out....:mg: !!
We compared ISO and TS fees and it was amazing how much money TS will cost to get it and maintain it in comparison to ISO 9001. It is an enormous amount of money that we saved...so far!

 

[Helmut Jilling]

Thanks! I wanted TS but just for the status. You know what I mean? The main reason my mgmt said "No" was because of the cost. We had originally started down the TS path but when the fees were all laid out....:mg: !!
We compared ISO and TS fees and it was amazing how much money TS will cost to get it and maintain it in comparison to ISO 9001. It is an enormous amount of money that we saved...so far!

It costs more, but it should not be that big a difference.

You also need to consider whether TS will provide more benefit and value, assuming it is a better program. If it does provide greater benefit, may it actually be the cheaper of the two?

 

[Jim Wynne]

Thanks! I wanted TS but just for the status.

If there's some form of ROI attached to "status," then it's a worthwhile thing. But it doesn't make much sense to pay extra money just to wave a flag.

We compared ISO and TS fees and it was amazing how much money TS will cost to get it and maintain it in comparison to ISO 9001.

At this point it's probably a supply-and-demand thing. There are relatively few qualified registrars and lots of companies that need to get registered. The prices will go down in a few years after a state of equilibrium is reached in the market, which means that companies that want but don't need TS registration are better off waiting for the fires to go out.

 

[ChuckHughes]

Lee

I am still confused as to the nature of the parts. GM talks about After Market parts as different from Service Parts. It sounds like the parts you send to the Mr Goodwrenches of the world are Service Parts. These would fall under the scope of TS. The aftermarket parts probably do not unless there is something I have missed in the GM CSR. I would not consider racing parts as TS applicable because these are usually hand made and we would not see these in a dealership for sale, only decoration.

What kind of parts do you make?

 

[Crusader]

Lee

I am still confused as to the nature of the parts. GM talks about After Market parts as different from Service Parts. It sounds like the parts you send to the Mr Goodwrenches of the world are Service Parts. These would fall under the scope of TS. The aftermarket parts probably do not unless there is something I have missed in the GM CSR. I would not consider racing parts as TS applicable because these are usually hand made and we would not see these in a dealership for sale, only decoration.

What kind of parts do you make?

You hit the nail on the head. We do supply Service Parts and after-market parts. We make OEM replacement aluminum intake manifolds and cylinder heads. Some water pumps too. Executive Mgmt is holding ground and will not budge unless forced to go TS.

 

[Crusader]

Percent of OEM sales

I forgot to mention that our OEM sales are less than 4%. I think someone asked that question earlier and I missed it.

 

[Crusader]

If there's some form of ROI attached to "status," then it's a worthwhile thing. But it doesn't make much sense to pay extra money just to wave a flag.

It is my firm belief that Sales would be greater with TS status. But then again, their(OE) Sales interrupts our own supply-demand requirements. We are our own #1 Customer - if you can understand that. We supply to ourselves - our own warehouse - to meet product/customer demand. At least, that is what I am told at work.

Sorry did not mean to get off the original poster's question.

 

[Helmut Jilling]

It is my firm belief that Sales would be greater with TS status. But then again, their(OE) Sales interrupts our own supply-demand requirements. We are our own #1 Customer - if you can understand that. We supply to ourselves - our own warehouse - to meet product/customer demand. At least, that is what I am told at work.

Sorry did not mean to get off the original poster's question.

So, it appears your company has to decide what is in its best interest. TS may help sales, and give better performance, but it costs more to implement. If the additional sales and better performance counteract the greater cost, then it makes sense. (Understand, under TS, non-automotive parts do not have to do all the TS things.).

If the cost doesn't justify it, you can do a really good implementation of ISO 9001. Consider using ISO 9004 as your standard instead of 9001. It will give you many of the benefits that TS would.

 

[Crusader]

If the cost doesn't justify it, you can do a really good implementation of ISO 9001. Consider using ISO 9004 as your standard instead of 9001. It will give you many of the benefits that TS would.

We are ISO 9001:2000 as of November 2005. We have been really successful with it too. We only make automotive parts: service parts and high performance/replacement after-market. TS does apply but we've chosen to not do it - against GM's request. Not everyone can get away with saying "No". That is why I had asked for a definition of "functional compliance"....that maybe something we can do. (We still do PPAP's for GM. We have not said "No" to those requests.)