TS16949 Section 8.2.2.3 Product Audit - Requirements for various Customers

Baalberith

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The company I work for are heading towards stage 1 of IATF 16949:2016 in July 2017.

I would like to ask a question of you guys, for your advice. At Section 8.2.2.3 Product Audit. Do I have to show product audit results for Automotive Customers only, or can I show Product Audit results for our main customers / Product parts made.

For example, we supply Jaguar Land Rover, but also supply CAT and the Ministry of Defence.
Jaguar Land Rover are not our largest Customer -that is Cat(erpillar), who are obviously not Automotive.

So, as I stated earlier, do I only have to undertake Product Audits upon parts made for/supplied to Automotive Customers only, to satisfy TS, or will product Audits undertaken upon ANY part regardless of sector suffice 8.2.2.3 ?
 
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QualitySpirit

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Only product audits of automotive products are required.

Will you have a stage 1 to a new version?
Timing of stage 2 seems to be a concern whether your certification body can still do to the 2009 version.
 

Golfman25

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They will not look at anything CAT (or non-automotive) related.

What we would do is do product audits across the board. But the TS audit would only cover automotive parts.
 

Sebastian

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You are wrong. It applies to whole automotive sector, who recognized ISO/TS 16949 and IATF 16949, including OEM producing trucks, busses, agricultural and construction vehicles. Please do not make private interpretation, which is against requirements of sections 1.1.

I am sure Baalberith has access to CAT CSR where they are telling them, that they know something like ISO/TS 16949 exists and even expect meeting requirements stated there.
 
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Golfman25

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You are wrong. It applies to whole automotive sector, who recognized ISO/TS 16949 and IATF 16949, including OEM producing trucks, busses, agricultural and construction vehicles. Please do not make private interpretation, which is against requirements of sections 1.1.

I am sure Baalberith has access to CAT CSR where they are telling them, that they know something like ISO/TS 16949 exists and even expect meeting requirements stated there.
Really. So then tell me why my TS auditors won't look at any of my cat parts. And then explain why my customer was prohibited from achieving TS because all they did was Cat work?
 

QualitySpirit

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Really. So then tell me why my TS auditors won't look at any of my cat parts. And then explain why my customer was prohibited from achieving TS because all they did was Cat work?
Hi, because it is defined in IATF rules section 1.0.

"Automotive" shall be understood to include the following: Passenger Cars, Light Commercial Vehicles, Heavy Trucks, Buses, Motorcycles, and to exclude the following: Industrial, Agricultural, Off-Highway (Mining, Forestry, Construction, etc.). Aftermarket parts are excluded.

Certification bodies can not allow TS scope to cover ineligible products.
 
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