Two Separate Businesses - Only Part of Company Certified

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TigerLilie

In the past my company was divided into 2 separate businesses, an integration business and a services business. Most recently, management has merged the two and our new org chart and processes reflects this change.
However our ISO certification only applies to the integration business. I am struggling to determine the impact of this merging on our certification, even though it is my understanding we can maintain certification for only our integration business. For example, if the auditor asks to see a PO and it is for the services business, he cannot audit it because it's out of scope

Would like to hear your thoughts. Thank you.
 
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lk2012

Hello,
let's phrase your question the other way round:
What is the impact of the merger on your scope?

Start from there and you'll easily find if both areas need to be audited or not.
By any means, I'd advise to get in touch with your registrar well ahead of your next external audit to avoid any unpleasant surprises.
hope this helps
 
T

TigerLilie

Understood, but isn't it possible to continue to have the same scope which is limited to a specific product range?
 
B

Big Jim

Admin
Yes.

What I do when I'm writing a manual for a company like yours that has part of the company registered and part of it not registered, is to include a clarification statement with the scope statement to show that there is other business activity in the facility that is outside of the scope of registration. There is no requirement for this, but I do it in the spirit of full disclosure.

You do need to be careful about how you use the certification marks though. You cannot use ISO 9001 terminology or the CB and AB seals in such a way that it appears that the entire company is registered.
 
John Broomfield

John Broomfield

Leader
Super Moderator
Consider three scope statements, each smaller than the former:

1. For the enterprise as a whole
2. For the management system
3. From the certified part of the management system

...then it is clear to everyone.
 
somashekar

somashekar

Leader
Admin
TigerLilie said:
In the past my company was divided into 2 separate businesses, an integration business and a services business. Most recently, management has merged the two and our new org chart and processes reflects this change.
However our ISO certification only applies to the integration business. I am struggling to determine the impact of this merging on our certification, even though it is my understanding we can maintain certification for only our integration business. For example, if the auditor asks to see a PO and it is for the services business, he cannot audit it because it's out of scope

Would like to hear your thoughts. Thank you.
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When what you do to meet your customer does not change ...
When your company name is not altered ...
Just see this as a part of change to the QMS as in 5.4.2 b)
Then test the integrity of your QMS when your said change is planned and implemented.
Please do inform your CB about this, when your change is certain, and has begun to happen.
 
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