Unable to Demonstrate FIFO Methodology

[cantucb]

Hi!
Need some help, I am working in an automotive molding injection tier 3 facility where soon we are going to have a recertification in ISO9001:2008. At this moment, we cannot demonstrate compliance to FIFO methodology (First In-First Out). How could this affect to standard? Could be a permissible exclusion?

I appreciate your insigths on this matter.
Thanks

 

[Sidney Vianna]

Need some help, I am working in an automotive molding injection tier 3 facility where soon we are going to have a recertification in ISO9001:2008. At this moment, we cannot demonstrate compliance to FIFO methodology (First In-First Out).

Firstly it should be noted that to have a re-certification audit against the 2008 edition of ISO 9001 so close to the mandatory transition date seems odd.

As for FIFO, there is no explicit requirement for that in the standard. From a business perspective, attempting to minimize the risk of having expired material being processed and/or shipped, it does make sense for a FIFO system when dealing with perishable items.

 

[Tyler C]

Firstly it should be noted that to have a re-certification audit against the 2008 edition of ISO 9001 so close to the mandatory transition date seems odd.

Sidney, we too have our re-cert audit coming up next month. We are also recertifying to the 2008 edition. Our registrar gave us the choice of making it a transition audit or re-cert audit, and we chose to re-cert to 2008 because we are not quite ready for the transition, but we are fully aware that we will not have a full year before the transition audit has to happen. We chose this to buy ourselves a little more time.

 

[Tyler C]

Hi!
Need some help, I am working in an automotive molding injection tier 3 facility where soon we are going to have a recertification in ISO9001:2008. At this moment, we cannot demonstrate compliance to FIFO methodology (First In-First Out). How could this affect to standard? Could be a permissible exclusion?

I appreciate your insigths on this matter.
Thanks

The only issue I can see with this is if your procedures specifically state that you utilize the FIFO method. Otherwise, if you can prove that you are not using expired materials, this shouldn't be an issue. Sidney is correct in saying that FIFO is not a standard requirement.

 

[cantucb]

Firstly it should be noted that to have a re-certification audit against the 2008 edition of ISO 9001 so close to the mandatory transition date seems odd.

As for FIFO, there is no explicit requirement for that in the standard. From a business perspective, attempting to minimize the risk of having expired material being processed and/or shipped, it does make sense for a FIFO system when dealing with perishable items.

Hi!
We chose also to re-certificate to 2008 because we are not quite ready for the transition to ISO9001:2015. Next year we are planning to look foward to 2015. What about if FIFO is a CSR from our tier 2 and 1 customer (Customer Specific Requirement)?

Thank you from your suport!

 

[Sidney Vianna]

What about if FIFO is a CSR from our tier 2 and 1 customer (Customer Specific Requirement)?

If that is the case, you obviously have to comply with it, isn't it? There are no permissible exclusions to CUSTOMER REQUIREMENTS, unless the customer waives it.

 

[Golfman25]

I guess the question is prove you don't. Are you sure you don't do FIFO? In a molding operation, it would seem very difficult not to. I mean, your material comes it. Certainly it doesn't sit around forever before it is used. And it's hard to believe you would order more material when you had some in stock. Then, you run it and turn it into parts. Certainly those parts don't sit around forever. You ship them before you make more, no?

 

[cantucb]

I guess the question is prove you don't. Are you sure you don't do FIFO? In a molding operation, it would seem very difficult not to. I mean, your material comes it. Certainly it doesn't sit around forever before it is used. And it's hard to believe you would order more material when you had some in stock. Then, you run it and turn it into parts. Certainly those parts don't sit around forever. You ship them before you make more, no?

That is a good point Mr. Golfman25 but what about when you do not have enough space for materials (warehouse) and you do not have investment to get more space in your facilities?

That gives you little space to manage materials according to FIFO right?

Thanks!

 

[Golfman25]

That is a good point Mr. Golfman25 but what about when you do not have enough space for materials (warehouse) and you do not have investment to get more space in your facilities?

That gives you little space to manage materials according to FIFO right?

Thanks!

That actually requires fifo. You need to get rid of the stuff you have (first in) before you can get/make more stuff.

What happens when you have space is material stacks up and people take what is most convienent, the stuff in the front (last in) of the stuff in the back (first in).