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Update: Your 9001:2000 status

Is your company currently:

  • ISO 9001:2000 Certified

    Votes: 12 41.4%
  • Working Toward 9001:2000 Certification

    Votes: 12 41.4%
  • ISO 9001:2000 Compliant (No Cert. Planned)

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Working Toward 9001:2000 Compliance Only

    Votes: 1 3.4%
  • ISO 9001:1994 Compliant, No Change Planned

    Votes: 1 3.4%
  • Other (please specify in a post)

    Votes: 3 10.3%

  • Total voters
    29

Wes Bucey

Prophet of Profit
energy said:
I looked at the countries certified on page 4 and am amazed at the USA numbers. Does that reflect disenchantment with ISO? Am I reading it wrong? Under 5000 companies? :bonk:
Note the date of report at that web page is through December 2002.
 
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energy

Thank you

Wes Bucey said:
Note the date of report at that web page is through December 2002.
Thanks Wes. Duly noted. Do you or anyone think that those numbers increased proportionally this year? With the number of companies looking at other alternatives to increase market share, and less perceived value in ISO, I lean towards less. JMHO :bonk:
 

Randy

Super Moderator
energy said:
I looked at the countries certified on page 4 and am amazed at the USA numbers. Does that reflect disenchantment with ISO? Am I reading it wrong? Under 5000 companies? :bonk:
The US numbers, even for 2003, reflect laziness and don't give a whatever attitude more than anything else. This is predominately due to poor explaination of system value and equating 9001 & 14001 into language that management understands or cares about.
 
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energy

So that's it

Randy said:
The US numbers, even for 2003, reflect laziness and don't give a whatever attitude more than anything else. This is predominately due to poor explaination of system value and equating 9001 & 14001 into language that management understands or cares about.
And, do I know that firsthand! :biglaugh: ;)
 
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Aaron Lupo

I would have to question the numbers on that survey. I know the one Registrar I work for has issued over 1000, 9001:2000 Certificates in the US.
 
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energy

Surveys

ISO GUY said:
I would have to question the numbers on that survey. I know the one Registrar I work for has issued over 1000, 9001:2000 Certificates in the US.
Well, we know what people do with surveys...... ;)
 

Wes Bucey

Prophet of Profit
ISO GUY said:
I would have to question the numbers on that survey. I know the one Registrar I work for has issued over 1000, 9001:2000 Certificates in the US.
I dread using statistics to make a point, because someone always seems to find a set diametrically opposed to mine.

In the case of ISO registrations in Europe and Asia compared to USA, it is necessary to consider the wide disparity of business cultures in Europe and Asia in addition to the higher frequency of cross-border transactions as factors in why so many organizations register.

At one time, many in USA considered ISO registration as a gatekeeper to limit USA penetration of European and Asian markets. The original purpose of creating some sort of level playing field to aid suppliers and buyers in saving costs by allowing third parties to examine QMS of suppliers versus each buyer doing independent audit was lost in the shuffle.

Other threads in our Cove Forums as well as in the ASQ Forums frequently dwell on the impression that registration is "bought."

AIAG created its own subset of ISO registration with QS9000. Many USA companies which might otherwise be registered to ISO followed the QS path. I predict a similar exodus to TS 16949.

USA companies which are strictly domestic in their sales rarely find customers forcing them to become registered. Some of those companies recognize advantages to ISO-style QMS and avoid the cost of formal registration by declaring themselves "compliant."

Many companies which were registered to 1994 ISO Standard found internal reasons for not stepping up to ISO 2000 registration. (No data, just anecdotal tales.)

Am I concerned because US organizations are not making formal registration? Not yet. I want to wait and see whether they are learning the lessons of "customer-centric" policies or if they will backslide to the original Ford policy with Model T - "You can have any color you want, so long as it's black!"
 
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Laura M

As a consultant/part time manager for 5 companies this year, I had the following:

1 - update from 1994 to 2000 in April, 2002
2 - 2 New registrations to ISO9001:2000 (not previously registered)
3 - 1 1994 to 2000 transistion in October 2002.
4 - 1 QS9000 to ISO9001:2000 transition (no more automotive biz)
 

Wes Bucey

Prophet of Profit
Laura M said:
As a consultant/part time manager for 5 companies this year, I had the following:

1 - update from 1994 to 2000 in April, 2002
2 - 2 New registrations to ISO9001:2000 (not previously registered)
3 - 1 1994 to 2000 transistion in October 2002.
4 - 1 QS9000 to ISO9001:2000 transition (no more automotive biz)
I'm glad you have work. Some of our brethren are not quite as fortunate. It appears from your track record you are very efficient and successful in guiding a QMS to registration status.

With all due respect, your clients are self-selecting because they chose to hire some expert to help them toward registration. I am curious, though, (no other attitude intended) as to why they can afford to register, but not afford a full-time QM. Was there coercion by customers to register? If not, why pay to register formally (if money was too tight to hire full-time QM) as opposed to self-declaration?

I have no axe to grind either way for register/not register - it seems there are as many reasons for either choice as there are organizations.
 
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