Updating from ISO 9001:2000 to ISO 9001:2008

[blue moon]

pleade advise

i implement a system ISO 9001:2008 for a company certified before for ISO 9001:2000 they will go for a new certification body and i am not refere that they are certified before we make all the procedure and forms versin zero

but using the same procedure and forms as example

1- for quality manual we use the old word define the interaction of process not new word determin the intetaction of process

2- in the old system they didn't refer how they control outsource process because they didn't have outsourced process and also i didn't refere or explain how to control the outsourced process they already didn't have outsourced process

I am in the right way or in the wrong way ?

 

[Stijloor]

Re: Updating from ISO 9001:1994 to ISO 9001:2008

Please advise

I implement a system ISO 9001:2008 for a company certified before for ISO 9001:2000 they will go for a new certification body and i am not refere that they are certified before we make all the procedure and forms version zero

but using the same procedure and forms as example

1- for quality manual we use the old word define the interaction of process not new word determine the interaction of process

2- in the old system they didn't refer how they control outsource process because they didn't have outsourced process and also i didn't refere or explain how to control the outsourced process they already didn't have outsourced process

I am in the right way or in the wrong way ?

Any suggestions?

Thank you very much.

Stijloor.

 

[Colin]

Re: Updating from ISO 9001:1994 to ISO 9001:2008

The changes from the 2000 version to 2008 were negligible, mostly clarifications so it would be a picky auditor who found fault with using the word define rather than determine for example.

I would suggest that you do change any references to the year to the 2008 version and because the point regarding outsourced processes has had its profile raised, you should probably add a line about it. There are also a couple of name changes such as 7.6 which might as well be changed whilst you are in there.

I wouldn't bother re-setting the issue numbers, just update where necessary and update those you change e.g. the quality manual. By the way, there are a few examples of cross reference tables which have been posted which summarise the changes and their impact. Just do a search or if you can't find them, drop me a PM and I will forward one I did.

 

[jerry_Malaysia]

Re: Updating from ISO 9001:1994 to ISO 9001:2008

The changes from the 2000 version to 2008 were negligible, mostly clarifications so it would be a picky auditor who found fault with using the word define rather than determine for example.

I would suggest that you do change any references to the year to the 2008 version and because the point regarding outsourced processes has had its profile raised, you should probably add a line about it. There are also a couple of name changes such as 7.6 which might as well be changed whilst you are in there.

I wouldn't bother re-setting the issue numbers, just update where necessary and update those you change e.g. the quality manual. By the way, there are a few examples of cross reference tables which have been posted which summarise the changes and their impact. Just do a search or if you can't find them, drop me a PM and I will forward one I did.

I agree with Colpart.
Generally I wouldn't not worry so much about issue numbers and wording.
But since different auditor interpret clauses differently, it is better to make sure that what you have has already cover all the requirements.

 

[blue moon]

Re: Updating from ISO 9001:1994 to ISO 9001:2008

Thanks Mr. Colpart

but may be i have a question generally with documentation i make my documents code as follow:

P 05:00
P: mean procedure
05 : the number of procedure
00 : revision statuse when make change

and i mention this in my procedure and mention the way to change documents

Now assume that i want to change a phrase in page no 5 inside this procedure, as in my procedures i must collect all copies at point of use and change the phrase, and obsolete the old copies and print a new copies and issue it again as P 05:01 and mention in change page that what page changed and why make this change?

can i have another way because this way is very costly ?




Regards

The changes from the 2000 version to 2008 were negligible, mostly clarifications so it would be a picky auditor who found fault with using the word define rather than determine for example.

I would suggest that you do change any references to the year to the 2008 version and because the point regarding outsourced processes has had its profile raised, you should probably add a line about it. There are also a couple of name changes such as 7.6 which might as well be changed whilst you are in there.

I wouldn't bother re-setting the issue numbers, just update where necessary and update those you change e.g. the quality manual. By the way, there are a few examples of cross reference tables which have been posted which summarise the changes and their impact. Just do a search or if you can't find them, drop me a PM and I will forward one I did.

 

[Claes Gefvenberg]

Re: Updating from ISO 9001:1994 to ISO 9001:2008

can i have another way because this way is very costly ?

There is no requirement to collect old documents when new versions are issued. You do have to ensure that relevant versions are available at points of use and prevent unintended use of obsolete documents. This can be achieved by giving the users the task to discard the obsolete copys when they recieve new ones.

One obvious way around the problem would be not to distribute procedures as paper. If you have the possibility to reach those concerned via an intranet for instance, that would be perfectly in order.

/Claes

 

[blue moon]

Re: Updating from ISO 9001:1994 to ISO 9001:2008

Hi

But i think that i must mention this change in procedure and change the revision status to show that is a new verision

Right ?


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another questions

if network and internet is not aviable ?

can i print two copies one for document control and one in the work shop where all people will able to access to the procedures ?

There is no requirement to collect old documents when new versions are issued. You do have to ensure that relevant versions are available at points of use and prevent unintended use of obsolete documents. This can be achieved by giving the users the task to discard the obsolete copys when they recieve new ones.

One obvious way around the problem would be not to distribute procedures as paper. If you have the possibility to reach those concerned via an intranet for instance, that would be perfectly in order.

/Claes