Upgrading to TS 16949 - A Management Overview and Kickoff Document

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Hi ... I recently created a management overview for a client who is upgrading to TS from ISO (though I have to say they've been stuck with an auditor who follows the more elemental older version of ISO) -- Since I got so much from the Cove, I thought I'd share it in turn ...

I'd appreciate any comments ... Thanks

Ray
 

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Re: Upgrading to TS -- Management Overview Doc

I have just a couple of thoughts on this.

The presentation looks very nice, but I was wondering about what you used to base your articulations of things like philosophy, focus, and differences.

Some of us find TS pretty prescriptive, and I have to question if "two major methods are usually used [to define and document a process] because they capture and display so much information". I usually see written process documents, and have found not very many people are skilled at making flow charts and turtle diagrams to describe their processes.

So I wonder how objective your presentation's material is.
 

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Hi ... I recently created a management overview ...

Really seems odd to me that the focus of transition was from 9001:1994 rather than v2000 which is completely different. I can only presume it was done based on this comment:
...they've been stuck with an auditor who follows the more elemental older version of ISO...
That being said, if I were in the management team, I would have an issue with construction of a presentation that isn't based on the actual active standard the organization is certified to. I would want to know what actual changes should be needed. If the org is not where they ought be, that should be clarified also in same presentation. In this way the management team would have sufficient information to make all appropriate changes needed.

My additional concern: You don't mention if this auditor is internal or external to the organization, but someone should adviise that replacement or retraining is necessary.
 
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Hi ... I recently created a management overview for a client who is upgrading to TS from ISO (though I have to say they've been stuck with an auditor who follows the more elemental older version of ISO) -- Since I got so much from the Cove, I thought I'd share it in turn ...

I'd appreciate any comments ... Thanks

Ray
I think you really hit it with Page 6 (procedures ~vs~ processes). I am not sure that the mgmt. level at a lot of companies really even understands a lot of this but hopefully you can get through to a few. (I just mean that a lot of them think it's a "quality" thing and would rather ignore it and let someone else worry about it.)

I did the same thing (TS to ISO9001:2k) last year so I know what you are going through......keep going.....:O)
 
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I find it fascinating when reading overviews of ISO/TS 16949, that most seem to ignore clause 0.5 which is the goal of TS. Interestingly enough has not changed from that of QS-9000.
It contains 5 points which they expect to find throughout the QMS
1. Continual Improvement
2. Defect Prevention
3. Reduction of Variation
4. Reduction of Waste
5. Customer Specific Requirements.
 

Raffy

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Hi Ray,
What we did is to create a roadmap using the project approach. Phase 1 – Appraisal & Planning. Phase 2 – Documenting the System. Phase 3 – Operational and Implementation. Phase 4 – Registration.
Hope this helps.
Best regards,
Raffy:cool:
 
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