Upgrading to TS 16949 from QS-9000

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Link Xue

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TS 16949 accreditation

Hi all,

I have a question for you. A company hasn't any official quality system but running based on QS9000 quality system (from headquater). :bonk: If it want to apply for the TS accreditation directly, how long will it take and what the detailed steps are? Any instructions are appreciated.

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Al Dyer

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I surely wouldn't hazard a guess at time frame.


-A good place to start is invest in some TS16949 manuals and start reading and understanding the elements.

-Select a person or two that become TS "gurus" at your facility

-Invest in a class or two that defines the differences between QS & TS

-Define elements in your current system that need to be refined.

-Learning the differences in the two systems may seem easy, but QS is more stringent and based more on product and TS is based on the process principle.

-The bottom line would be to put some up front $$$ in training, knowledge aquisition, and learning process methodology before enacting a defined plan for the transformation.

Do as much up-front as possible.

Just a start for the thread, I'm sure you will receive many more responses from people who have "lived" through a few transitions. The search engine here will also help a great deal in explaining many of the details and options.

Al...:bigwave:
 
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SilverHawk

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You're refering to seek ISO/TS 16949:2002 certification for your organziation. Pls. log into AIAG website and purchase AIAG Implementation Guide.
 

Marc

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Link Xue said:
A company hasn't any official quality system but running based on QS9000 quality system (from headquater). :bonk: If it want to apply for the TS accreditation directly, how long will it take and what the detailed steps are? Any instructions are appreciated.
It's the same as any QMS upgrade/update: Gap analysis from which you draw up a plan to address issues identified. It is from the gap analysis that you determine what you have to do - where you have to go. Until then, any prediction of time and/or cost is at best a guess. Don't forget - management's role, particularly with respect to support (including financial) is important.

Don't over complicate what you have to do, but without more specifics it's hard to say.

Answers to some of these questions will help:
  • Have you tried a search of the Forums for the topic of your post?
  • QMS in place? Model?
  • Company Sector (Electrical-mechanical-automotive-medical, etc.)
  • What is your company size (employees)?
  • Multiple intra-country sites?
  • Multi-national?
  • What are your main end product(s)? (Assemblies, Components, Services, etc.)
  • Who are your main customers? (Commercial - Medical - Military - Consumer - Distributor - Services?)
  • What are your basic processes?
  • Significant processes?
 
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Link Xue

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Thank you all above. Do this mean even a company hasn't any QMS still can apply for the TS directly? As I know, it should run proper QMS 12 months ahead the formal accrediation. Is it right? Thanks for any inputs.

Marc, here are the answers.
Marc said:
Answers to some of these questions will help:
  • Have you tried a search of the Forums for the topic of your post?
  • QMS in place? Model? NOT IN PLACE,FOLLOW QS
  • Company Sector automotive
  • What is your company size (employees)? <30
  • Multiple intra-country sites? NO
  • Multi-national? US COMPANY CHINA BRANCH
  • What are your main end product(s)? (Assemblies, Components, Services, etc.) ASSEMBLIES
  • Who are your main customers? Commercial(OUR CUSTOMER IS TIER 2 SUPPLIER OF CAR MANUFACTUER)
  • What are your basic processes? BOUGHT MATERAALS AND ASSEMBLING, DOING DESIGN SERVICE ALSO
  • Significant processes? SIMPLE ASSY.
 

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Link Xue said:
Thank you all above. Do this mean even a company hasn't any QMS still can apply for the TS directly? As I know, it should run proper QMS 12 months ahead the formal accrediation. Is it right? Thanks for any inputs...
According to the IATF "rules" document, you need to submit 12 months of data to the registrar for the following before your certification audit:

Internal audit results and action plans
Management review results
Key indicator trends for:
- customer satisfaction
- employee motivation or awareness
- product realization processes
- supplier performance

If you have this data (at a minimum), you don't need to have the complete system in place and operational for a full year before certification. If you have been operating based on QS-9000, you should already have at least the internal audit and management review data. You need to identify if there is any of the above data that you aren't already collecting, and start tracking it while you work on iimplementing the other requirements of TS.
 
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From the IAOB website (FAQ):
"5. Less than 12 months Performance Data
Question: How can a Site working towards ISO/TS 16949:2002 show 12 months performance data?
Answer: For an established facility the last 12 months performance data should be provided against the products in production and the QMS being used.

Note: In the case of a new facility the audit should be conducted once ISO/TS 16949:2002 QMS compliance is established the Certification Body is permitted to issue a letter of conformance. After 12 months production, when performance data is verified, the Certification process can proceed."
 
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