Interesting Discussion Using "Not A Calibrated Device" or "No Calibration Required" stickers

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David Hartman

#41
Years ago I was working in a company that was designing and manufacturing some state-of-the-art microwave communications equipment. The design engineers released the design for production, at which point we spent 6 months attempting to "tweak" the first article unit to working order. Finally, after falling 3 months behind schedule it was decided that we should get the "engineering" models out and review the differences. Guess what, the engineering models didn't work either. Then both units were taken back to the Engineering Lab where it was found that both the FA and the engineering model worked well in the lab.

Root cause: Uncalibrated equipment in the lab.

This one project was enough to cause management to re-evaluate Design Engineering's former stand that their equipment did not require calibration.
 
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gaugefixer

#42
Haven't surrendered..............yet

Caster said:
Sorry, but I had to.....37 posts on calibration!

IMHO cally and doc control are what gave ISO/QS/TS such a bad rap in the view of Management. Who cares? Only us teckie geeks - sure as heck not executive management! And rightly so.

It's a tape measure!

Imagine you paid tens or hundreds of thouands of dollars to a registrar only to hear that 3 gages were missing a sticker and a document in a locker was the wrong rev. Yeah baby, that was worth it. Made us world class!

It's always open season on the cal teck, and doc clerk, but the top dawg is untouchable? Cause he writes the check?

More damage $ is done by poor contract review, inadequate design, and failure to provide adequate human and capital resources than any gage without those Expressions of Uncertainty ever could.

I live for the day when Quality System Requirements are replaced with Business Excellence Models. I can't wait for my CEO to tell me I have to get on board and support his system, instead of me having to try to get MSAs done....

Whoa...I feel better now, I had to get that off my chest or explode!
How did you know how I feel??? Thisa is totally uncanny!!!!:applause:
I go through the exact same thing and the upper management doesn't know squat about quality procedures or customer requirements! MSA studies?:mg: Why are we wasting our time when we have to get product out the door? Who cares if it's right?-I just want it out the door so I can get my big fat juicy bonus for the month!!!! Thats managements attitude all right!
 

Hershal

Metrologist-Auditor
Staff member
Super Moderator
#43
Hershal said:
Look at it logically (yeah, I know, that is outside the ISO realm at times).....the late Phil Stein phrased it best.....if the measurement matters, calibrate the equipment.....if the measurement does not matter, why make it?

Put another way, if you are making a measurement that matters to your device or product, calibrate the measuring device. If the measurement does not matter enough to calibrate the instrument, then why make the measurement at all? Now, use some common sense.....wooden rulers are an example of an item that should never be calibrated without some real specific reason.

As for NCR stickers, Wesley is right.....be careful with them.....use them only where you need them, not on things like pliers and hammers.
Just trying to get the thread back to the original point.....
 

QChas

Involved - Posts
#44
Just as a follow up, we completed our ISO9001:2000 audit last week with no findings and have been recomended for registration. My original post was to get people to think outside the box. We are a small company so laying out an additional $10,000 for calibration is a huge expense. We put a system in place that meets the standard and was benificial to the company. We will only do things that make sense for the company!
 

psp1234

Involved In Discussions
#45
Re: Using "Not A Calibrated Device" or "No Calibration Required" stickers?

Hi Charles,
Can you share with us the form you mentioned?

Thanks,
Sue
 

Ajit Basrur

Staff member
Admin
#46
Re: Using "Not A Calibrated Device" or "No Calibration Required" stickers?

Hi Charles,
Can you share with us the form you mentioned?

Thanks,
Sue
Pls note that this is a 8 years old thread and some of the people not around. Could you pls tell which form you were looking for ?
 
#47
If you want a copy of the form that I discussed, please email me at:

cdwathen "at" yahoo.com

The form also comes with a procedure on how to complete it. What is great about this form is it puts the responsibility for correct information back on the owner or engineer of the process. I put this form in place, because I got tired of defending myself during audits for "verbal" information that may no longer meet the process. Having it documented and approved with the owner or engineer, makes them responsible for a qualification range for their process.

The calibration department can now spend time determining the correct methods for performing the calibration, and creating the necessary procedure for performing the calibration with the necessary standards.
 

Ajit Basrur

Staff member
Admin
#48
If you want a copy of the form that I discussed, please email me at:

cdwathen "at" yahoo.com

The form also comes with a procedure on how to complete it. What is great about this form is it puts the responsibility for correct information back on the owner or engineer of the process. I put this form in place, because I got tired of defending myself during audits for "verbal" information that may no longer meet the process. Having it documented and approved with the owner or engineer, makes them responsible for a qualification range for their process.

The calibration department can now spend time determining the correct methods for performing the calibration, and creating the necessary procedure for performing the calibration with the necessary standards.
Charles,

Thanks. Do you want to share the form and proceduree here at the Cove for benefit to the entire Cove community ?
 
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KOEKE

#50
I'm composing a "calibration not required" memo and I plan of referring to the accuracy required justifies that no calibration is needed. We have aluminum rulers used in measuring fabric and straps. The rulers did not come with a manufacturers certificate of tolerance. The tightest tolerance is 1/2" of the items being measured. Isn't this a case of true "Calibration not required" AND a reason to take the measurement?
 
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