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Re: VDA 6.3 - You think you had it bad?
Comprehensive Process Auditing is predominantly a requirement of The German Automotive Industry. Its not just an upmarket thing; its an acceptance that the QMS Audit on a stand alone basis; simply does not work effectively in ensuring efficient compliance.
The general Press ! With over 10 million recalls from Toyota and Nissan alone, never mind the high Ford index, speak for themselves.
On a serious note, getting that info is similar to finding Rocking Horse manure - i.e even if you find it, it is likely to be fake!
One thing for sure; in the Auto Industry; the current model, in most of the world does not work, (has not worked) and is simply the same old thing going round and round. To brag about experience, when the outcome is so poor, is a pretty weak reason to attack an alternative method.
I,m not saying Process Auditing is the answer; however an alternative to what we have been doing is so obviously required and an open mind is surely a prerequisite to that improvement.
What do you consider to be the "Countries / OEM,s where effective Process Auditing is a serious requirement?"
Where could I get the data on the recall rates? Do you have a link to such data for comparison?
Where could I get the data on the recall rates? Do you have a link to such data for comparison?
The general Press ! With over 10 million recalls from Toyota and Nissan alone, never mind the high Ford index, speak for themselves.
On a serious note, getting that info is similar to finding Rocking Horse manure - i.e even if you find it, it is likely to be fake!
One thing for sure; in the Auto Industry; the current model, in most of the world does not work, (has not worked) and is simply the same old thing going round and round. To brag about experience, when the outcome is so poor, is a pretty weak reason to attack an alternative method.I,m not saying Process Auditing is the answer; however an alternative to what we have been doing is so obviously required and an open mind is surely a prerequisite to that improvement.
OK...maybe i get everyone derailed on my "not so popular comments" about the standard and auditors' skill and qoute on Richard Pike....I know what the concept of a process audit is. In my layman's terms? "Oh think your process has weakness...i think...duh...lets fix it with this....". In my opinion, it's hard to believe the the same people who thinks that they are the expert cannot operate the machine itself. If you're an electronics manufacturing process auditor..would you actually operate my probe handlers for a day and tell me what's the best way to do my job or what's the best process i can use to make my cost lower? Of course not.
May I suggest to be more considerate and objective from time to time and not hit the auditee with non-sense because they have more important things to do.