Hello Pawel, - thanks for the guidance!Three types of audits have to be established in the organization to cover the quality management program as comprehensively as possible:
- QMS system audit, based on IATF and VDA6.2 standards. // cover QMS topics
- Product audit, for example, based on standard VDA6.5. // cover product
- Process audit, which can be based on VDA6.3 or LPA standards (why not) // cover manufacturing and co-manufacturing processes
Customer request was touch only process audit and base VDA6.3 checklists.
When we are audited by VDA6.3, all the evidence we show on all the subjects mentioned, is documented in our QMS, so a QMS audit is covering it already, what is then the added value of re-doing this audit with the VDA6.3 checklist?Process audit cover much more points, example (VDA6.3):
P5: supplier management + warehouses + supply inspection
P6: process release + maintenenace management + operators skils managements + process indiators + process output (also warehouses) + non conformity management (don't thing You cover tha by control plan) + control tools management (also included MSA) + ...
P7: customer satisfaction management and how customer service is providing (including aftermarket service, and elements how to be prepared for it)
process audit is not only describing this what is happend on production line - but also everything around: this is process
So with a QMS audit alone, you do not have the oversight as you have with a process audit. QMS is checking more conformity to individual procedures to requirement, while with a process audit the focus is more on the total result of the process itself. And the advantage of using VDA6.3 would then be that you are sure that the full process is covered.I don't think that the QMS covers 5S topics or walk on warehouses or the realization of a total maintenance plan -> but true, it defined requirement in this topic.
Look on that, this way: process audit touch production process with coperative sub-processes; System coform existing process with requirements.
Hello Pawel,Three types of audits have to be established in the organization to cover the quality management program as comprehensively as possible:
- QMS system audit, based on IATF and VDA6.2 standards. // cover QMS topics
- Product audit, for example, based on standard VDA6.5. // cover product
- Process audit, which can be based on VDA6.3 or LPA standards (why not) // cover manufacturing and co-manufacturing processes
Customer request was touch only process audit and base VDA6.3 checklists.